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Sounds like he would take the damage from PW, as PW ignores all powers and traits.
His power cannot be countered or ignored, so it will not be ignored by pulse wave.
Quote : Originally Posted by Necromagus
When I came on board as RA I brought with me a mission to meet the intent of a power/ability and a firm distaste for exploits or loopholes that circumvented the intention of a rule. That's where the Rules team comes in.
Also, Incap doesn't deal damage (ignoring Stunning Blow or SP's that duplicate it), it just gives the target an action token. So, the Pushing Damage wouldn't come from an Attack, but from the 2nd Token (assuming you outwitted the Indomitable and the Battle Fury), right?
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Unavoidable damage cannot be ignored, Mulk's power says he ignores.
Cannot be ignored trumps Ignores.
Willpower also says "ignores" so that's clearly not true.
And the argument that it has to read specifically pushing damage is not a good one. It says all. not some some, all damage not from an attack.
I think your wrong. The obvious intent and wording is that only an attack can kill mulk. no tricks, mystics, outwits, pulsewaves. you have to punch or shoot him, and get lucky (and you have to do at least 2 damage).
There is a lot of ignoring going on around here...
It's real simple if something say it "cannot be ignored" and another saying "it ignores" the "cannot be ignored" wins.
Quote : Originally Posted by Necromagus
When I came on board as RA I brought with me a mission to meet the intent of a power/ability and a firm distaste for exploits or loopholes that circumvented the intention of a rule. That's where the Rules team comes in.
There is a lot of ignoring going on around here...
It's real simple if something say it "cannot be ignored" and another saying "it ignores" the "cannot be ignored" wins.
Not to beat the horse, but then why does willpower work. It says "ignores".
Pushing "deals" damage. Mulk ignores all "dealt" damage. In my mind, "all" includes Pushing or unavoidable. I get the wording on pushing is contrary, but don't card effects trump core rules too.
probably gonna have to wait for Wizkids to clarify.
Game effects that evade, reduce, ignore, or transfer damage do not effect pushing damage unless the effect specifically says it does.
And willpower specifically says it ignores pushing damage. Mulk's power does not mention Pushing damage in the power.
Quote : Originally Posted by Necromagus
When I came on board as RA I brought with me a mission to meet the intent of a power/ability and a firm distaste for exploits or loopholes that circumvented the intention of a rule. That's where the Rules team comes in.
I don't think it has to specifically say Pushing Damage, because it says ALL damage.
Pushing damage has to be included in ALL damage, no?
I still say the only things that will hurt HoM Hulk are:
Unavoidable damage (such as Mystics and when he rolls Critical Misses)
Attacks that succeed and are doubles
I would say specific is specific, and that it would need to name specifically "Pushing Damage"
Otherwise you would be able to transfer pushing damage via Mastermind As it says All Damage and then that would cover pushing damage.
Quote : Originally Posted by Necromagus
When I came on board as RA I brought with me a mission to meet the intent of a power/ability and a firm distaste for exploits or loopholes that circumvented the intention of a rule. That's where the Rules team comes in.
And thus House of M Hulk on the last click would be the GREATEST Mastermind fodder of all time! (The way I read it)
Well if your going to play him that way be sure to play Bruce, that way he is cheap and have a better chance of landing on that click.
Now if you'll excuse me I'm going to bash my head into a wall to see if I can find my sanity.
Quote : Originally Posted by Necromagus
When I came on board as RA I brought with me a mission to meet the intent of a power/ability and a firm distaste for exploits or loopholes that circumvented the intention of a rule. That's where the Rules team comes in.
Well the way the power reads is the only damage he would ever take has to be from an attack and only from an attack where doubles was rolled. Mystics, pulse wave,any of those other tricks specifically say they are not attacks. I can see where people are being confused, but as written, it is pretty simple that the only damage he will be dealt must be the result of an attack with a doubles rolled for the attack roll.
As of how it is worded now I would have to rule it he takes unavoidable damage. Al tho I think because NECA put the word "ALL" in the power their intent was ALL damage, but they could have given more definition in the power.