The difference is that, when IB copies Metron's powers, he has not used any of those powers that turn. As such, all are available for use.

Sure there is. Turn 1, Metron uses Leadership. Turn 2, Metron uses Perplex. Turn 3, Metron uses Support. Again, POA does not require that all powers be used on a single turn. Just that all can be used.

When IB uses POA, Metron has not used Perplex, Leadership, or Support during that turn. Therefore, Metron can use Perplex; Metron can use Leadership; Metron can use Support. All are standard powers. As such, POA copies all of them.

Please see post #26. Suttkus already made the same argument and I already responded to it.

Metron is never in a situation where he can use all three powers.

MOBIUS CHAIR: Metron can use Outwit and Probability Control. Once per turn, Metron can use one of the following powers: Leadership, Perplex, or Support.

The Once per turn is only for Metrons SP. And since In-Betweener can only Use all Standard powers and Abilities, that part of Morbius's chair that states Once Per Turn is his Special Power. Not a Standard.

That is the way I read that. I could be wrong, but I can't see it anyother way really. Definatly keep track of this thread for future replies and possile clarification if needed. Happy Clixin

I can see where both sides are coming from, but from what I posted on my opinion is what I see, but like I said I could be wrong.

Has there not been a ruling for Rogue in regards to what she can copy from the Metron's Mobius Chair? Granted, I can't see any situations where it would be more viable for Rogue to copy Support or Leadership in place of one of Metron's other powers, but that would seem to be a precedent for what IB can copy with his power.

http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?t=313461

Post # 56

If Metron and Big Figure can use all the powers to meet Prerequisites then they In-Betweener can use all the powers as well.

Now you are not paying attention to HeroClix "can use" definition.

Here's a situation. Metron has not yet used Leadership, Perplex, or Support in a given turn.

Can Metron use Leadership? Yes, as he has not yet used Leadership, Perplex, or Support in a turn.

Can Metron use Perplex? Yes, as he has not yet used Leadership, Perplex, or Support in a turn.

Can Metron use Support? Yes, as he has not yet used Leadership, Perplex, or Support in a turn.

Therefore, all three are powers which Metron can use; and as such, all three can be borrowed by Polar Opposite Attack.

No. Just like I said in post #26 to Suttkus, the power is not: "Metron can use Leadership, Perplex and Support until he has used one of the powers."

The power is: "Once per turn, Metron can use one of the following powers: Leadership, Perplex, or Support."

Let's break it down:

Once per turn

This here is already a little unclear, since if Metron uses Perplex he has used it once per turn and can no longer use, thus losing the effect of Perplex. But since Metron has never been ruled to work like that, we can assume that "until the end of this turn" (which was added to those people who can use Smoke Cloud or Barrier as a free action at the beginning of their turn) is implied by the power. But anyways, Metron can make the choice once for every turn; this much is clear.

Metron can use one of the following powers:

It says Metron can use one power. Not all the powers, not two of the powers, just one. If he can use one of the powers, then he can't use the other powers.

Leadership, Perplex, or Support.

And these are the powers, of which he can use one every turn. If he uses (in the HC sense) Leadership, he can't use Perplex or Support. If he uses Perplex, he can't use Leadership or Support. And if he uses Support he can't use Leadership or Perplex.

He can only use one of the powers on that list on any given turn, so IB can copy only the one power Metron is using on that turn.

The fact that Metron has not activated these powers has absolutely nothing to do with this.

I'll quibble over the assumption that it has a duration of "until the end of the turn," since that would mean Perplexing a defense value with Metron is pretty much useless. However, that is still irrelevant to the question at hand. Metron is not using the power, so a restriction on the number of times it can be used has no bearing.

But he hasn't used Leadership, Perplex, or Support. So he can use Leadership. He can use Perplex. He can use Support.

Forget In-Betweener for a moment. I have Metron on the table and my turn has just started. Can Metron use Leadership? Can Metron use Perplex? Can Metron use Support?

It doesn't matter if he is restricted to using only one of them. At that particular moment, Metron can use all of them. It is not until after he has used one of the powers that he cannot use the others. Polar Opposite Attack allows IB to copy all standard powers that the target can use.

Check Post # 36

He must choose one power which he can use for that turn.

It seems to me if metron can only use one of the powers from a power pool then IB can use all powers that metron can potentially use

Also wouldn't Rogue would be able to steal anyone the 3 powers that metron can/could use?

The biggest problem I see is the can use, technically he can only use one at one time but he also can use them all....

That's not an answer. There are three distinct questions.

In that situation, can Metron use Leadership?

In that situation, can Metron use Perplex?

In that situation, can Metron use Support?


Three questions require three answers. The only possible answer to any of the questions is "Yes" or "No."

If the first answer is yes, then the other answers will be no.
If the first answer is no, the second or third can be yes, but only if the other is a no.

I read that thread and there really wasn't anything that would be helpful to this issue. Mainly because it was about Brilliant Tactician and the answer from GD was that a character can use BT even if it has a chose between Perplex and Outwit. I believe the reason is more to do with how BT works (not needing the Outwit) than how powers are used.