What issue exsactly is that?!?!? Thats pretty far fetched right their. Abomanation is a freaking beast, its hard to believe that Wolverine had him like that.........

Its not that hard to believe actually Wolverine also has beaten the Hulk in issue #340, I believe.

Just so you know Cap's shield is not made from adamantium it is a carbonamium and vibranium alloy, but still nat as hard as Adamantium, but is so close it doesn't matter. BTW, any attack Cap lands Wolverine will be able to heal from so, my vote goes to Wolverine.

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Captain America is called Marvels Best Hand-to-hand fighter for a reason. He wolverine may be older than Cap but wolverines brawler style isn't really much compared to Caps fighting style. He has his own unique style that involves acrobatics, judo, karate, boxing, and occational street fighting. Wolverine may be pulling the years on Cap but then again as i said before, Cap is fines fighter that fights back on whatever the opponent attacks him with.

Cap is amaster strategist also and as you said, his stategy skills(Wich is also what hes know for besides an incredible fighter)not to mentioned combined with his supperior fighting skills will be enough to defeat Wolverine.

Now about the no shield and no claws thing, if Wolverine hopes to beat Cap...he better pop out his claws. Wolverines a brawler na danybody that has read more than one of his comics knows that. He rellyes TO MUCH on his claws and usually fights with hooks and swipes, he allways leaves himself open....thats were Cap allways takes advantage..when his opponent leaves that opening. Thats when he'll strike.....

Its mixed in with some adamantium last time i heard. I went to that site...and to say the least the yellow hurts my eyes and its pretty un-organized. Theyres to many forums. I go somewhere else thats background isn't as bright as that one........

Jeez, this one is kinda complicated. It really depends on victory conditions. Cap could bring Wolverine down, but he wouldn't stay down unless cap went real ruthless-like and chopped off his head (and stuck garlic in it, and buried it under a crossroads with a stake in the body).

Ultimates-wise, Wolverine is the world's best assassin, Cap is the world's best soldier. this isn't an assassination, it's a fight. I vote cap. A disciplined fighter can take down a beserker.

I would have to say that due to the following...

Wolverine is reinforced by Adamanium,and has huge razor sharp claws,been training for over a hundred years at every level and style of fighting,Has a regeneration factor of a troll, has animal hunting senses,and is simply balls to the wall tough...

Wolverine Wins.

Cap is awesome,don't get me wrong,and it wouldn't be a easy fight,but because wolverine has the advantage in more areas,he wins.(he also is more likely to "cheat" and that would factor in too)

Caps Shield is made from BOTH Adamantium AND Vibranium, so yes, it would definately be able to withstand Wolverines Claws.

Heres how I see it:

Physical Strength: Cap (Caps as strong as a human being can be, Wolverine has no superhuman strength level, so he would have to be weaker in this sense)

Physical Toughness: Wolverine (With his unbreakable skeleton and healing factor, Wolverine definately has it hands down in this category)

Agility: Cap (Again, hes as agile as any human being can be, and while Wolverine is VERY quick, he doesnt have any superhuman dexterity)

Fighting Ability: TIE (Cap is, as stated before (and by Marvel themselves), Marvels ULTIMATE human fighter. He trains CONSTANTLY to stay in that type of fighting shape, and routinely fights superhuman villians as well as "normal" human level ones. Now Wolverine is also an AMAZING fighter, who has also trained for MANY years. What also gives Wolverine an edge here, tieing him to Cap in my opinion, is his Berserker Rage. This enables him to fight faster, fiercer and more unpredictable than most anyone Cap has ever faced. This is where our two heroes are most evenly matched)

Weapons: TIE (Caps Shield is LEGENDARY in comics, as one of the greatest weapons ever. It can withstand nearly ANY type of attack, and he can use it with EXPERT ability. Wolverines Claws might not be as famous a weapon, but they are INCREDIBLY powerful, and like Cap with his Shield, Wolverine is a MASTER as using them. If I could give a SLIGHT advantage to either here, it would be to Cap, since he can use his Shield not only to block, but attack as well, and at a distance. Wolverines claws are basically for attack purposely only)

So in my opinion, Id have to give it to Captain America overall, BUT it would be very close, Id say 6 out of every 10.

Do i sence a lil favortism?
Can you be serious?...
I did like your stats,but your choice is wrong.......
Even though cap america has normal human strength,wolverine is over normal human strength.......
So tell me,what is cap america going to do when he does not have his shield,and this pissed off man with razor sharp claws is heading right for him?..........pick up a car and throw it?..........NOT !!!........

Please re-evaluate your theory........cause you are wrong....!!!

Comparing their stats in the Marvel Encyclopedias

out of a possable 7
Cap - Wolverine
Intelligence 3 - 2
Strength 3 - 4
Speed 2 - 2
Durability 3 - 4
Fighting Skills 7 - 7

This I think represents Marvel's thoughts.
Then there is the Marvel vs DC crossover that the fans decided the outcome. Where Wolverine took out Lobo while Cap was getting it from behind by Batman. Very undignified.

Granted the Super Soldier Serum boosted Cap to the peak of human ability but as a mutant, Wolvie wouldn't have that limitation. Even as the superior tactician Cap would still have to overcome Wolverine's sheer ferosity. Yeah Wolverine is going to take a beating but I think all it would take is a few lucky slashes of adamantium (as if scale mail armor would even slow down those claws) and Cap would start to weaken from blood loss. Then Wolverine would start talking about being the best there is.

Cap v Wolvie.

In my opiniontheir powers, abilities and training all cancel each other out.
Some may say that Wolverines berserker rage gives him the edge, I believe that this would be his biggest liability against Cap.
It all comes down to shear force of will, and while Wolvie may be raging away, Caps indominatable willpower, sense of purpose and determination to prevail no matter what the odds would see him prevail.

UH, ok. Thanks for the kind words LD.

First off, Captain America DOES NOT have "normal human strength" He is as strong as a human being can possibly be, thats what the Super Solider Serum did to him. Hes as Strong, Fast, Agile and Tough as a human being can possibly get. Now while Wolverine is VERY strong and fast, he is NOT at a superhuman level, therefore he is somewhere underneath Capt A.

And how exactly is Wolverine going to get Cap to lose his Shield? Ask him politely to put it down and offer to fight him unarmed? Caps been using his Shield for a LONG time, and is not only a MASTER at attacking and defending with it, but at EVERY SINGLE ASPECT OF USING IT, that includes getting it back if for some reason it were seperated from him.

I also didnt think I was picking favorites in the slightest. If you look at my review, I made them both almost perfectly matched, and only gave Cap a slight advantage overall against Logan.

Ill wait for your reply, as im sure youll tell me how WRONG I am soon enough.

Yes. Wolverine could stay down if you hit him hard enough. Hes been knocked out by much less. Like i said wolverines a brawler and really down't have much control, Cap has a lot of discipline and control. Thats one of the things that makes me believe he could win....

True, wolverine would cheat but then again Cap is the leader of the avengers for a reason and known as marvels best leader for a reoson. Wolverines been beaten alot of times before. The Adamantum does help wolverine alot to, but by the way you guys make it sound...if wolverines adamantium is so reinfourcefull then Sabertooth,punisher,deadpool,Omega Red and spider-man himself would have never been able to beat him. Funny, you mentioned "balls"....about a couple of months ago wolverine and punisher fought and wolverine lost because punisher smacked wolverine in the croch with a bat.

This fight has been done over and over again plenety of times before and the same factors for wolverine are pulled. Fact is, how are you goin to hit Cap if you barely punch straight? For all i know Cap has it planned out from the begging.....

Hes theory is pretty correct. Im pretty muched used to debating agaisnt wolverine fans and they always pulled the same thing, Adamantium and healing Factor. Let me shed some light, Wolverines healing factor is one of the most over rated things in comics and im not talkingB.S., its true. People act like his healing factor is actually something, his healing factor is actually really slow. Just a few months back the guy was running from a mob and he was gettin shot, bleeding the whole way almost fell but found some shelter. His healing factor doesn't exsactly heal as fast as its allways said to be. Lets see, did anybody read when he fought Venom? He pritty much got messed up, he tried to cut venom by stabing but didn't work completelly as he thought it would. He stabed venom but was shocked to see a healing factor, a healing factor that shocked him more because healed faster that his. Look, hes some people with healing factor, Deadpool, Venom, and Hulk....they got healing factors and surpass wolverines healing factor.

If Cap doesn't have his shield it still wouldn't pin him down as lost even though wolverines chances of winning are even greater. But then again if you take Caps shield away and leave Wolverines precious claws that is being B.Sed am i right?. So many people have actually attempted to take Caps shield in battle thats not even funny but fail because Cap is not stupid to have his shield out in the open and allways ALLWAYS keeps it close to his body at all times.

The strength thing, you'll be surprised how long that lil debate of whos stronger between the two has been out. Just like the fights people thought wolverine but after some extensive debating the saw it though. Cap is a Super Soldier, his stats are well above human levels, hes basically The Oinacle of human perfection and anybody that knows Cap knows this. That was the reason for the Super Soldier Project, to create the perfect fighting machine and soldier.Fact is, Wolverine isn't actually as strong as people make him to be. Theyre actually the same, Wolvie has picked up Colusus who ways around 900 something....Cap during training in the Avengers mansion regurlaly even though its rarely mention picks up 900 pound weights, iv'e seen him do 900 but never pass to the 4 digits same as wolverine. So theyre actually both the same strenght, and just to give the example IF wolvie would actually be stronger than Cap it wouldn't factor in much at all because Cap would know about this the minute the start(hence his strategy skills,prepare his mind and plan before hand)and will ovbiously be alot more cautious....

BTW, that scenario you just did.....if wolverine would come 'pounce' or come straight for Cap the way your saying...you might as well say wolverine lost because hes either gettin flipped or is gettin punched in the lower abdomen or other part of the body. Coming straight for Cap will leave wolvie open as an open book, literally........

A tip for anybody that wishes to debate in wolverines defence is NOT to use berserker rage as something that would help him win because it won't. Cap and him fought and he was in his "Rage", he was out of controll literally. Saliva and eyes trwitching. Cap had it all planned out and it was amazing just reading his thoughts as wolverine attacked him. Wolverine pinned him once but Cap took him off with a swift kick maunever, it was a very good fight. Wolverine was out of control. When wolverine goes berserker, he goes Faster, Stamina raises, if you hit him alot, he could fell the blows but it doesn't bother him till afterwards, loses complete dence of control and just slashes and slashes. He goes into a very primitive form, as said earlier he is a brawler and that Cannot be denied. In his B.R(Berserker Rage), no control or sence of direction will be the factors of his downfall. When they fought, Cap punched hima few times hard enough that knocked wolvie off his feet and in even once he went trough a car windo, but amazingly wolverine just sliced the car like nothing and came back. Every swipe that wolvie put out was either blocked with the shield or Cap succesfully dodged it and turned it into an attack, most of the times a Judo attack where he would grab wolverines arm and thorw him. Wolvies stamina goes up, but Caps stamina from the beggining is very high(thus the Super Soldier serum wich increases stamina), wolverine is just catching up. in his B.R, it'll be very difficult for him to actually catch Cap because after Cap notices this he'll be even More cautios. So best bet is, Not to use the Berserker Rage as an aiding factor because as i just explained it won't............

Cap's SHIELD being made of Vibranium is a mistake that is actually in print on Marvel's web site. The SHIELD is the only known alloyed composite of Adamantium and Vibranium in the world, created in the 1940s by Dr. Myron McLean. Captain America's sheild is the most impervious man made object ever created.

Calling Cap's shield vibranium is always a sure telling point that you don't read anything with Captain America in it.