He didn't ALWAYS carry the ring. He had it when he went to Metropolis in "Hush." Otherwise, it was locked in the cave.

One time doesn't equal always.

As for Superman's "vulnerability" to magic. If you read Superman consistently, you'd know that it's not as big a deal as you think. It doesn't strip his powers like Kryptonite does...he's just not immune to it.

He wasn't in WWIII because he would have stopped it as soon as it started.

You don't have to like the character to know that his power set is unmatched. One on one, using all powers at full capacity, Superman beats anyone.

Black Adam beat Superman 1 on 1 in their only fight that I'm aware of.

Fairly casually at that.

Written by Simone.

Yep, that'd pretty much be why I hate the character.

Awesome. I can totally get behind this.

They fought in Superman, also...and Black Adam wanted no part of him.

Look at Kingdom Come. Everyone thinks Captain Marvel was winning, forgetting the fact that when Superman decided the fight was over, it was done. He took everything Billy could dish out, and he was the one that ended the fight.

Back to the "fighting to kill" thing: Since Punisher is willing to kill, would he win against Batman? Not a chance. Fighting to kill means nothing when the characters consistently throw down with others who would kill.

I have to think that a Punisher/Batman crossover written by Ennis would see Punisher come out on top.

Or, at the very least, Frank would be shown as being able to hold his own, as opposed to being taken down off-panel.

Bottomline, I don't care if DC characters beat Marvel characters. Whatever. What bothers me is when they're written to do it in a way that pays little/no respect toward the character in question.

Superman/Hulk from 1999? Perfect example of a crossover that enables both characters to save face (each gets a "win").

The 70s/80s Marvel/DC crossovers? CRAP.

So we have two showings, and judging from your use of KC I'm going to guess you're a little on the hyperbolic side of things in favor of Superman. Your omission of the actual scenario there is fairly revealing.

What did I omit? (Not being combative, I just don't know what you mean!)

Punisher routinely gets worked over by Daredevil...he'd be way over his head against Batman.

How the fight ended

Superman putting his hand over Billy Batson's mouth after getting handled by Captain Marvel isn't a great showing for Superman.

Eh, I'm thinking more of a "Confederacy of Dunces" sort of storyline.

FRANK: Rich boy sees his parents die and takes up crime fighting instead of polo. He thinks he's fighting a war, and he may be right. Only thing is, his war ain't Vietnam.

It'd be a fun fight, if someone actually wrote it to be a fun fight instead of Batman just demolishing him. Hell, Batman can (and, I'd argue, should) even win!

Yeah, I read it as Superman just having plain more will/a more cohesive mind than Shazam in KC. Shazam had all those "daddy" issues going on.

I read it as Superman shaking off everything Billy did, then ending the fight.

Nothing there indicated that Superman was anywhere near beaten.

I can't believe this discussion is happening. Batman always wins, he has the best superpower.

Superman hasn't been relevant in comics in years. I hate to say it because I grew up with him and Green Lantern as my DC favorites. Batman said it best, the last big thing that Superman did was die. How exactly do you top that? He's now in the position of showing just how badass a bad guy/girl is by whipping him like he owes them money. Paralax(Hal and otherwise), Crazy lanterns, Cyborg Superman, Hell even younger and older versions of himself from alternate universes. Or should that be pronounced Universi?