which time?

If I ever have daughter, I'll want her to have Kitty Pryde as a role model.

I'll just have to kill every Russian or Brit who comes to visit her.

My fave part of Secret Invasion is her books where she kicks the holy living crap out of that Giant Super Skrull.

TOTALLY BRUTAL.

Might want to read anything featuring the characters past their early appearances before making sweeping indictments of the characters.

Me? I don't care what you like/dislike, or for what reasons, but...I actually read both characters, and Jeff Parker (and others) has done some great things with them.

Red She-Hulk's solo title is particularly fun, but I think your mind is already made up. Particularly with any new Marvel stuff.

Right. Based on nothing but knee-jerk opinion based on not wanting to give the characters a proper chance. Or do I have that wrong?

Also, if all you're going on is Loeb's crap, then you have no idea of what the characters are, do, or have done (up to and including things like character growth).

Sorry, I just see the knee-jerk hate thrown around SO damn often around these parts, and it gets wearisome at times. Not bothersome, per se, but wearisome.

I hate Knee jerk hate!

Me too! And colloquialisms, by cracky!

I lost interest in Red Hulk

HEH! I'll accept that as a valid, Loeb-centered criticism.

Parker's run, though, is just great.

Someone trying to turn a sow's ear into silk isn't going to change my mind. It's still a lazy concept.

Given the way you're quick to condemn classic characters like Superman you sure get excessively prickly about someone else's dislike for your favorites.

All Loeb-centered criticism is valid. His work absolutely plummeted after the tragic death of his son. He destroyed the Ultimate Marvel Universe.

See, I have reasons for why I dislike Superman other than "he sucks" or "it's a lazy concept." Most of which are philosophical question that the character's very existence necessitates asking. And I'm fine with discussing them, as well as hearing out folks who say "I get that, but consider this..."

What irks me on occasion is when someone sees something like a new character, costume change, etc., and says "That's garbage that isn't worth reading," or somesuch, many times without having read the material in question (not speaking for you, as I have no clue what you like/dislike).

EDIT: Also, the designation of something as "classic" does not, to me, insulate it from criticism. "The Scarlet Letter" is a classic, for instance, but I absolutely hate it for many reasons.

I dislike a lack of imagination and change just for the sake of change.

But...it isn't really that. You're viewing it as "What if we made the Hulk RED!?"

The story doesn't really bear that out. If Thaddeus had been green, or blue, or puce, the character's (post-Loeb...!@#$ing Loeb) arc is still the same.

And, honestly, I'm not sure how it qualifies as change for the sake of change. It was change because, post World War Hulk, there wasn't much left for the character to do following a two-year run in a completely different vein.

You could argue that all of "Planet Hulk" was change for the sake of change. Possibly so, but a damn great story came out of it.

Ditto (post-Loeb) Rulk.