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The reason Batman's power is different is because of that phrase that you cite: 'does not posssess somewhere on his dial'. Otherwise, the character does not posses the power until it shows up through the stat window.
Specific trumps general, and the general rule is that the power has to be visable in the stat window while the Batman's rule specifies throughout the dial.
No Ninjendo, that's not how it works according to the text in the rulebook.
Batman's Power: Does not possess somewhere on his dial.
From the rulebook:
A character possesses a power or ability if that power is printed on their dial in the form of a white or colored square, or if an icon granting that ability is printed on their base.
POSSESS: To directly have a power, ability, or effect printed on a card or dial—not simply used via another power, ability, or effect.
Batman's power acutally supports these entries from the rulebook by indicating he possesses powers on his dial not just in the stat slot.
How is Batman possessing a power somewhere on his dial different from a power being possessed by a character if it is printed on their dial?
Please show me in the rules where it states powers are only possessed when they appear in the stat slot the same way that combat values are:
From the rulebook:
COMBAT VALUES: The four numbers visible through the stat slot on a character’s combat dial, and the number next to the lightning bolt(s) on a character’s base.
I have shown the text I find relevant, please do the same with your side of the argument.
I agree it should be that way, I'm just having trouble reconciling what is written in the rulebook along with the text from Batman's power with what we have been told.
From the rulebook:
A character possesses a power or ability if that power is printed on their dial in the form of a white or colored square, ...
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The powers that appear through the slot are most definitely printed on the dial, and this rule lets us know they are possessed, unless another rule were to say they aren't
Nowhere in that rule does it say all powers printed everywhere on a dial are possessed. So, it still allows for other rules to refine how they are treated.
The powers that appear through the slot are most definitely printed on the dial, and this rule lets us know they are possessed, unless another rule were to say they aren't
Nowhere in that rule does it say all powers printed everywhere on a dial are possessed. So, it still allows for other rules to refine how they are treated.
Thanks Moom, you phrased that far better than I could.
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The powers that appear through the slot are most definitely printed on the dial, and this rule lets us know they are possessed, unless another rule were to say they aren't.
Quote : Originally Posted by Ninjendo
Thanks Moom, you phrased that far better than I could.
So, you couldn't find anything in the rules that specifically stated powers are ONLY POSSESSED when they appear through the stat slot. Where as I could find something in the rules that states they are POSSESSED when PRINTED on a CARD or DIAL. Note it says dial or card, it does not say specificy a part of the dial or visible on the dial through the stat slot. Something being printed on the dial is not the same as only being visible on the dial through the stat slot.
One last thing that hasn't even been mentioned by your side of the argument, the definition of possessed includes powers printed on the card. All powers printed on the dial are also printed on the card. How can you say the rules say it only means visible powers when it also includes powers on the card which show all POWERS POSSESSED by a character and are ALWAYS visible.
I'm fine with the ruling, but I am not fine with others saying it says so in the rules when I still haven't been shown any rules text saying such, opinions aren't rules.
The whole point of me evening continuing this is so that a clearer definition of possessed will make it into the player's guide or rulebook. As it stands what is in the rulebook is not clear unless they actually meant for powers to be possessed when printed on the dial or card.
So, you couldn't find anything in the rules that specifically stated powers are ONLY POSSESSED when they appear through the stat slot.
Of course not,,, because it's not true. If there were a rule that said that then traits and other things couldn't grant possession of powers.
Quote : Originally Posted by Galactus
Where as I could find something in the rules that states they are POSSESSED when PRINTED on a CARD or DIAL.
So, you couldn't find one that says ALL POWERS PRINTED EVERYWHERE ON THE DIAL ARE POSSESSED.
Being printed on the dial is just one of the ways a power can be possessed. It's also just one of the criteria for determining if a power is possessed. There can be others, and one of them is visibility through the slot.
Quote : Originally Posted by Galactus
The whole point of me evening continuing this is so that a clearer definition of possessed will make it into the player's guide or rulebook. As it stands what is in the rulebook is not clear unless they actually meant for powers to be possessed when printed on the dial or card.
I'm with Galactus here. I think we agree on how it should work, but the wording is a bit lacking. I don't think this is one of those "OMG WK is so stupid and needs new proofreaders" issues like a lot of special powers have seemed to be lately, but it is an easy fix and definitely something that should be more clearly defined to eliminate confusion in the future.