Well, I don't think I can come up with a specific scenario (which is a bit beyond me while i'm at work), but here are some things that could factor into Reeds victory.

Strategy/Tactics: If you give the smartest man in the universe time to prepare and some accurate information to work with, he can out-think and out-plan you every time. If Reed knew he had to stop Plas, and knew what Plas could do, then out come the super-science gizmos and widgets. Reed would choose the time and place of confrontation and make sure that his foe's options were limited and unfavorable. And then Reed would most likely win.

I say most likely because, as has been pointed out, Plastic Man is crazy. And that makes him unpredicatable, in both his actions and his powers. He could very well choose options that Reed would not have considered likely.

Great point. It would be awesome to see Reed trying to get into the mind of insanity. Reed would have step into the shoes of the mad man in order to truly understand his motivations and to predict his next action. Would Reed get lost in his own sympathetic mania? Would Plastic Man end up having to save Reed from insanity, or perhaps the world from Reed???????

Hi there.

Just wanted to say bravo on this post. I would've done so in the thread but there were so many subsequent posts I thought it quicker to go direct.

Fantasic work. Here's me clicking yet another link to yet another thread about yet another x vs y arguement, expecting the usually ignorant ranting and blind irrational defence of one's favorite character. And I get this. Awesome. It's good to know that there are smart, funny intelligent people making smart, funny intelligent points on these things - I was beginning to let the 'my guy would win cos he rocks, man' proliferation irritate me. You just cured it. Thanks, man. Keep up the good work.

Why is everyone under the impression that Plastic Man is insane? That was only in the Dark Knight books. He was released by Batman who made those quotes. In regular continuity, he is goofy, powerful, and suffering basically from the same thing Iceman of the X-Men is suffering from, lack of understanding, confidence, low self esteem, etc to make use of his power.

As to who would win, I agree with several of you, Plaz in an impromptu confrontation, Mr. F in a planned (unless Batman is directing Plaz by radio)

EMM to those who are tolking about the clix... Remember that vetaran Reed Richards costs about 50 points more that the plastic does. So... i think it's a bit strange to try to compare both clix.
Anyway, i find Mr. Fantastic useless in all his versiones 'cause he is too expensive for what he does
Plastic man is far cheaper so, even not having too much use, you can still play him.

i think
plas would win

Thanks Fat Ninja. I love this stuff. I find it hard to believe that not everyone is stretching (hehe) their creative muscles when they think about this match-up.

Speaking of stretching one's creative muscles....someone earlier mentioned Reed trying to get into Plastic Man's mindset and that reminded me of the Earth X panel when he stretched his brain so that he could use Cerebro...

All that said, I had a long moment after I considered truly HOW powerful Plastic Man is...it was pretty sobering. Reed has done some cool stuff, and I agree that the true splendour of a character can only be realized through the writer, but in the early JLA run, there were a lot of really really subtle hints that he doesn't just stretch. The Superstrength, the motive force when he becomes a vehicle...and then there is the whole immortality thing.

Yikes. I think if they ever had someone write the "Plastic Man has enough" mini series, you'd be seeing someone that in clix form would be tipping the scales at 200 or so odd points.

You're right, but I don't know if that's a good thing. Sure Plastic Man is one of those figs that didn't get the correct consideration from the Wizkids creative team (he's not alone). But a 200 point Plas wouldn't help HeroClix.

Characters like Plas are very important to comics in general. They are the folks that make light when things are at their worst, that allow you a nervous chuckle when times are darkest.
That was the problem with the X-Men. All work and no play (okay, the baseball and basket-ball issues were fun - but I'm talking about character disposition here). The Beast was an awesome partner to guys like Captain America, Iron Man, Vision, Thor and Black Panther in the Avengers. His one-liners were legendary. But his scientific side took over in X-Men and he lost his frivolity. Thus we were given Jubalee. She doesn't quite cut the mustard as a comedic peanut gallery though. Her comments come off as inane or immature. SO... we get Morph during the Age of Apocolipse. A DIRECT RIP-OFF OF PLASTIC MAN!!! But he did serve a purpose as a great counter to the ferocity of Sabertooth and the overall bleakness of the story line. "If I'm gonna go out, I'm goin with a smile on my face!"

Oh man!!! you can be seriuos?
I remmember Plasticman sinse the early 1980, he was funny but a "rockie" (no for new, rockie beacause he is funny)

Plasticman in the '80 cant change shape like now, he only was like Elonganted Man.
But come on! Reed Is Mister Fantastic. The Lider of the FF. He can make a figh versus Galactus!, be serious.

QUOTE]Plasticman in the '80 cant change shape like now, he only was like Elonganted Man.[/quote]

Carlos my friend, this is a truly inaccurate statement. Not only that but if your knowledge starts in the 80's than you're missing 40 + years of Plastic Man history (more than many contemporary characters have today).

As for the love that you send Reed... good point. He has the respect of everyone everywhere. The respect, that is, for his intellect, not his power. Galactus scanned his mind and falsely thought that he was carrying the Ultimate Nullifier, and left. Reed fooled him. Galactus was predictable and Reed clever.

Plastic Man is not predictable, except, perhaps, in his unpredictability. Maybe that's how Reed wins the day. Perhaps he applies the chaos theory to his plastic predicament and postulates a pedantic paradox... but probably not.

I dont care who would win plas is cooler then reed!

Ah, poor, poor donnie,

If you don't care, why start the post???

I wouldnt suggest Plas is anywhere on Mr. Fannys intellectual level. However, If I am correct Plas is no mental slouch. He used to be a detective didn't he. I wouldn't know for sure, but I'm guessing he had more brains then Hong-Kong Phooey. Also I thought I had a comic where the All Star Squadron (JSA) was formed / re-formed. In any case I thought plas was behind them reorganizing.

You are correct. Plas is no dumb thug. Though he's no intellectual god like Richards or Wayne, he is quite an intelligent guy. He started out as a criminal, then, after receiving his powers, became a hero (in order to right the wrongs he had committed). Throughout his career he's come up with some pretty good examples of great detective work and hidden genius.