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I understand that is the ruling, I just wish there was more precedence for it then the fact that the power doesn't say who gets the actions. Why is was that the first choice for who makes the attack. I mean look at Dr strange with the astral projections. It was more than just clearly stated that Dr strange was making the attack, it also said how. Due to that fact that this ruling generates so much controversial possibilities that even the person making the ruling also questions it should say something big about the ruling.
ok, so if SC is making the attack, how would this work out?
IIM015 Tony Stark uses Argonauts to put out an additional torpedo
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ARGONAUTS: Tony Stark can use Mind Control and Stealth. When he uses Mind Control, he may only target a single character with the Armor or Robot keyword, but may target friendly characters.
Who has control of it? Is it SC? Is it TS? If an Opposing character mind controls SC and puts out additional torpedoes, would they control it? Would it be the Mind Controlling character that is making the attack or is it still SC even though it was the opponent that generated it?
ok, so if SC is making the attack, how would this work out?
IIM015 Tony Stark uses Argonauts to put out an additional torpedo
Who has control of it? Is it SC? Is it TS? If an Opposing character mind controls SC and puts out additional torpedoes, would they control it? Would it be the Mind Controlling character that is making the attack or is it still SC even though it was the opponent that generated it?
That isn't really a debate though. It would be like someone trying to debate that my skin color is purple... You can't debate that. People are arguing but arguing =/= debate.
a : the formal discussion of a motion before a deliberative body according to the rules of parliamentary procedure
b : a regulated discussion of a proposition between two matched sides
They are not matched sides. We don't know what GD was thinking when they made this and the official ruling on how it works has already been given.
The Webster's Dictionary of the term Debate:
de·bate - noun \di-ˈbāt, dē-\ a discussion between people in which they express different opinions about something
Isn't arguing differing opinion what's going on? We can debate about this all day, but I disagree with your opinion that this isn't a debate. It is, because people disagree and express their opposing opinion. The fact that people are still arguing and discussing about it means it's still debated. Whether you like it or not. I do believe the issue should be settled for now, until any changes in rulings, but it doesn't mean there isn't still an ongoing debate about it.
....oh man...did I just debate whether there is a debate? I must be bored at work...
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I'm just trying to point out the difference. Where in the past whenever a close combat attack is requested its just referred to as a close combat attack. Where as the wording here specifically just requests an attack roll. roll, add the dice to the 11 and compare to the defense. I feel the only reason close combat is involved is so the defender could use things like Close Combat Reflexes? I'm not sure, but what I am sure is that Torpedo is not requesting a close combat attack be made.
EDIT: On a side note, so if SC is making the attack right now under the current rulings would SC take mystic damage if the torpedo hit a mystic?
COMBAT REFLEXES
Modify this character’s defense value by +2 against close combat attacks. This character ignores knock back.
Combat Reflexes works against close combat attacks, not close combat attack rolls.
I feel like "roll" and other such oddities in the wording point to one obvious answer: the torpedo wasn't meant to be an attack from silver centurion. It's supposed to be its own one-shot thing. This is a big enough deal now where GD really should get a clarification out already.
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