No, of course not. That would not be fair to those individuals in Tulsa.

So what is the fair question?

Well, as the saying goes "you can't please everybody all the time".

Although the logic here baffles me. Oh well.

EDIT: Misunderstood. So are you talking as a spectator or a competitor?

Also, please tell me what this means or why it matters?

Who determines on how rules are interpreted on a certain figure?
ie Silver Centurion's Torpedo

The ROC as a whole? (Terry, Howard, etc )
Or each individual venue?

I think Silver is the biggest issue right now, but after he ruled upon
there might be some other figure in an upcoming Set that is problematic.

Or just miss a lot.

Me and a friend of mine missed about 60% of our attack rolls. Can't end the game until figures get KO'd.

Same tournament, another friend of mine was stumped by my team and took a while to commit. The game was really tight so each move took a while. Fun game - but it went to time, too. 151-1, him.

To time happens. I'm patient and if I battle someone who is equally patient you can go your first 3 turns without attacking - and that's NOT turtling.

Just saying, it happens.

Currently the Oranges in the Rules Section.

Currently the ROC rules only govern final 16 events and Campaign events. Oh, and all events at Dragon*Con.

They can. We ask that they simply post/announce their house rules at least 1 week prior to the event.

Agreed. And that is why I use the Rules forum here and go with the explanations given in there. Yes, I realize rules can change, and have, from one post to the next. We can only go with the most current ruling.

What meta doesn't it represent? Looks like it represents a few different metas, including 300 modern.

Not picking on you here Tyro, just using your post.

For some reason it seems that the following needs to be said:

A simple roll off to determine the winner is, according to the vast majority of people associated with clix that I know of, simply not an acceptable occurrence. It is basically the easiest and least exploitable way possible.

With that said there is no truly fool-proof method to breaking a tie in HeroClix (if you know one please let us all know). But I like to think we came up with as good a compromise as we could.

Yes, there will always be ways to exploit whichever method is used/developed. And if you are the type of player that goes into a tournament to exploit tie-breakers then I pity you and invite you not to partake in any ROC events.

The vibe I am getting from those complaining about the new tie-breakers is that you actually prefer a dice roll off. *shudder* And that saddens me.

No worries. I like the new format. Its interesting.

When I judged, the roll off (when it had to be done) was somewhere between:

1) Wow, you guys are spiteful.

and

2) Wow, you guys suck.

Neither is a positive thing.

I generally agree, but I have to ask:

Do you mean "prefer" as in "I want to stall my way to the top," or "prefer" as in "eh, we've got to do something, this is the least ####ty way to decide it?"

Just saying that no one digs a roll off at that level, at least no one there to play. Still, of possible ways to break a tie, that won't drag out the rounds or rely on subjective criteria, roll off is what I'd pick.

I like the idea of the ROC being as different as possible from the WK official events. I think it gives it its own identity.

During all those polls, the status quo (I think someone associated with this game once called it "industry standard") was not something I would ever vote for.

Hell, I became a judge years ago because too many games were industry standard by my definition.

I'm not saying there can't be any problems, just saying I like the idea of doing SOMETHING different. I'd personally go crazy - saying at some point after the 30 minute mark, if nothing has been knocked out / damaged by an attack, Shock the Turtle goes into effect.

Sure, that would screw the guy who's strategy was to turtle and insist the opponent comes to him but every format screws someone somehow...

Another idea could have been borrowed from Mechwarrior (I think) - at the beginning of each player's turn, the player with a figure closest to the middle of the board earns 1 Victory Point. In the case of a tie, both players earn 1 victory point.

I don't think there will be a lot of ties, then.

Sorry, I didn't read the whole thread and didn't factor this into my statement. I didn't consider deliberate turtlers (though, logically, I should have).

Definitely valid points!

I prefer it to the player 1 getting a turn and then checking the damage after. He will almost assuredly win. Majestix ran a turn based overtime in April and more than a couple of players used it to their advantage (myself being one of them). I think after steps 1 and 2, there should be a roll off instead of an extra turn for a single player. Or at least give both players an extra turn and then recalculate THEN go to a roll off if necessary.