I've tried to use this figure on two different game nights, and I have to say, I'm really disappointed.

For 168 points, it's way, WAY too weak, defensively. 17 defence is just too low for such a pricy figure, and toughness isn't all that good.

I have to agree. I used them with the Phoenix force and that made the healing power almost ridiculous with the colossus fragment. That free incap is also a very important part of their defensive ability. She will definitely out action whatever she is after.

Btw the team I used him with is:
W/X-23 168
Winter Soldier 100(Sniper Nest version)
Phoenix Force 30(2 assigned 2 at the base)

I think it is important that you choose carefully which characters you put them with because you never want them to be able to go in alone because they are protected from range while the rest of your team is left behind because they are not. They will underperform if they are swarmed without any back up.

They should always have first strike and if done correctly whatever they go after shouldn't be able to retaliate effectively. 7 Charge means they can out charge most melee figure as well.

I agree with you.

Yeah, it's hard to target them, but there's nothing stopping you from killing them with a melee figure half their cost. Or put someone next to them who's not on their first click, then they're very easy pickings. Adding Super Senses to that first click and/or bumping it up to an 18 would have helped a lot, as it is I agree they're too easy too kill for what is likely going to be your main piece in a game.

Yes, the best defense can be a good offense. I just don't think it's enough for this piece. It is good don't get me wrong, just too easy to kill.

Nearly every time I've used this character, the character has gotten one-shotted, almost always by a melee character using a heavy or ultra heavy object. I've only every actually managed to use the special regen once in a game, and you're right, it's fantastic. It's just a real shame that it takes barely any effort to kill the character, often all within one round.

I hate it when people say stuff like this. I'm not trying to rag on you, mind, but I mean, yeah, no duh, if the figure has invul for all his clicks, he's going to be pretty good. In theory. But on his own, this figure has next to no defenses what so ever. Anyone can hit him at 17 defense and toughness is terrible; and it's not like it's that uncommon for there to be figures that do three damage.

The problem is that half the time they're not protected from range. When they've got two action tokens, they can be shot at, and hindering terrain isn't always available.

They're expensive enough that they're your beat stick, but they're not sturdy enough to play the role, and that's the problem, in my experience.

Well the thing is you don't play figures on their own, so why bother? If something is available to you then use it. This fig with the Phoenix force is special because it has heal clicks and only a portion of your opponent's team can attack it. Yes all figs will be good if they have invul althroughout their dial but only a few of them becomes exceptional.

How do you take down a fig that you can only attack with probably 1-2 of your figs, has invul all though out its dial, that you cant outwit(cant draw line of fire remember?) and can heal?

I realize I probably came off more than a little harshly, and I apologize, but the problem is that you're not really talking about how good this figure is, but rather how good the Phoenix force resource is. On both game nights that I mentioned in my post, we we're allowed to use resources. Other teams had little problem without them, but apparently this figure is so poor that without something like the PF, it simply can't survive.

Presumably with exploit weakness. Or, you know, going after all your other figures they can hit.

You missed my point. The Phoenix force made things good but its effect on this is amazing. It's no different when people found out that Shatterstar is good with Fantomex or that Shuma is good with moleman. Yes maybe it's the pieces available that made them good but that's exactly the point, nothing exists in a vacuum. You got to evaluate pieces with what's available.

How many EW figures do you expect to play against in a single team? 1-2 right?maybe even none. The question now becomes, if their weakness is that specific, couldn't they handle that figure 1on1 because you can specifically target EW figures if they even have it. 7 effective charge is more than enough to give you first strike.

As for going after the rest of the team, that's the reason why I said you have to pick what you put them with because their trait will put the focus on the rest of your team. You know what I paired them with the last time I played them? Winter Soldier(sniper nest) coz he cant be drawn LOF as well and the only way to go after him is to base the nest which will be very difficult with Wolvie and X-23 around. He is also good as your secondary attacker because of the nests which can extend your effective range without actually being there.

This figure is so weak, HP wise, that it only takes one or two heavy handed blows--even without exploit weakness--to one hit KO them.

Secondly, you keep talking about this 7 square charge as if it's really good, but it's really not that great. Tiamat, for example, can greatly out range W/X-23 with it's move-and-attack, for example; it's good, but there's a whole host of figures that out move this figure. Mon-el, for example, can move 6, hit, and move 6 away--but unlike W/X-32, he isn't as restricted by terrain.

And it's interesting that you bring up the Winter Soldier, since, as you note, you can't shoot him either. But he's also 68 points cheaper.

Its fine hp wise, you can't expect an 11 click long dial for 168 points.

On another note, you can't hit this duo at range if its being played right, and once it engages someone one on one, they are pretty much screwed. That incap after two attacks is icing on the cake, if the other fig isn't dead yet, then they get potentially locked down while wolvy and x-23 gear up for another attack.

Wolverine and X-23 love Mutant Protestors!! That little POG was made to defend/help this duo, in fact every mutant must call a Protestor to join they ranks

This piece plays just like I would expect a duo of the two of them to play. High attack values, crazy damage potential, soft defense, can be taken out by a solid attack from a heavy hitter but will almost never go down to a series of small hits. In the comics, both Wolverine and X-23 can be dropped pretty fast by a "fatal" attack, and while they should have traited reflexes, neither one of them focus on defense enough to warrant a high defense. As for those complaining about getting alpha striked by hypersonic figs, pair them up with a cheap tker (plenty of those in the x-men keyword, and this set gives us one with the weapon x keyword). In a standard 300 point game, you still have on average 102 points left over. That's a 100 point Dark Phoenix that should scare your opponent enough to take some of the heat off Wolvie and X, or punish them if it doesn't.