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So, then he stops. My point proven. He takes his free action in that square, then after actions resolves, continues with the rest of the movement.
No, he does not stop.
If he stopped he would always stop, regardles of Plasticity suddenly showing up or not, and always have to roll breakaway after making the attack, Plasticity or not.
And Plasticity would not stop HSS if the HSSer needed to stop anyway when making the attack.
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I know I'm frustrating. But I need an official ruling for this from somewhere that says movement does not stop. Because if it doesn't, I can target a character with shape change, shape change succeeds, I must pick another target for attack. But since I don't stop, I can move on to another legal target.
Then why are you here? If you're going to continue to ignore correct answers because they're not "official," why not just post the question on the Wizkids site instead and save us all the trouble of trying to help someone that's going to ignore us anyway?
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My logic is this. It says during your movement. That doesn't mean you do not stop. You have to pick a square to me an attack. You target from that square. So things like shape change can work. So you stop moving in that square, and take a free action. After that action resolves during the move, you continue to move. This all happens during your movement.
But for break away, you make a close combat attack and continue your movement. You have to give a free action during your movement no matter how you slice it. And break away says, once you are given an action and attempt to move, you must break away. It doesn't specify what type of action. And it Doesn't specify begin to move. You give a free action and are attempting to move with the rest of your movement. You are trying to continue the movement after the free action.
To me, that says you must break away.
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So, then he stops. My point proven. He takes his free action in that square, then after actions resolves, continues with the rest of the movement.
No, committing to a square does not mean the character stops moving. Moving 0 squares is still considered movement.
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In other words, it's all Vlad's fault.
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Though I'm pretty sure if we ever meet rl, you get a free junk shot on me.
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Vlad is neither good nor evil. He is simply Legal.
Thank you. He says break away is still an action and attempt to move. Perhaps it needs to be reworded "when a character is given a move action". They need to learn how to word powers better and a more thorough rulebook. Thanks again for doing what no one else. Rep!
Then why are you here? If you're going to continue to ignore correct answers because they're not "official," why not just post the question on the Wizkids site instead and save us all the trouble of trying to help someone that's going to ignore us anyway?
No, committing to a square does not mean the character stops moving. Moving 0 squares is still considered movement.
No one argued a good counter point to how it was worded. Also, break away says when a character is given an action and attempts to move. Free action attack then continue movement. Not move action or begins to move. According to that wording, I'm right. But they ruled how you said. Perhaps word it as such. " when a character is given a move action and attempts to move". They just need to write better. No need to get bent out of shape friend.
Thank you. He says break away is still an action and attempt to move.
No. He doesn't say that. Break away is NOT an action. It is an event which happens when you attempt to begin moving after having been given an action.
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Perhaps it needs to be reworded "when a character is given a move action".
You may want to bone up on some terminologies. A "move action" is not any action which includes movement. HSS, for example, is not a move action. It is a power action which includes movement.
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They need to learn how to word powers better and a more thorough rulebook. Thanks again for doing what no one else. Rep!
I can agree that there are areas which could use a little polish, but I firmly feel that this one is pretty crystal clear.
No one argued a good counter point to how it was worded. Also, break away says when a character is given an action and attempts to move. Free action attack then continue movement. Not move action or begins to move. According to that wording, I'm right. But they ruled how you said. Perhaps word it as such. " when a character is given a move action and attempts to move". They just need to write better. No need to get bent out of shape friend.
The situation seems to me to be one where you are rationalizing what is happening rather than following what the rules actually say. In other words, you are trying to make the rules work in the manner which you perceive what the effect is representing in the "real" world.
You honestly cannot do that. Just read the rules for what they say, not for what concept you think they are trying to represent.
The wording is fine if you take it at face value, and everyone here provided excellent counter points and citations from within the rules to support their statements.
I know I'm frustrating. But I need an official ruling for this from somewhere that says movement does not stop. Because if it doesn't, I can target a character with shape change, shape change succeeds, I must pick another target for attack. But since I don't stop, I can move on to another legal target.
There are a lot of things wrong with the above post.
1. If you know you're frustrating, why are you continuing to be?
2. Official answers come from the WK site, questionable as they can sometimes be. You're never getting an "official" answer here on HCRealms as the system is, so it's more like consulting learned friends.
3. Movement doesn't stop, but you must choose a square to attempt your attack from. I think of it as a 'snapshot' of the character while in motion, which helps it make sense. They're not stopping, but you're seeing that one panel in the comic where they attempt the attack.
4. You can choose another target if you're Shape Changed, but you must do so in the same square, meaning you need another legal target you can attack from said square. Otherwise you just can't attack.
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Thank you. He says break away is still an action and attempt to move. Perhaps it needs to be reworded "when a character is given a move action". They need to learn how to word powers better and a more thorough rulebook. Thanks again for doing what no one else. Rep!
You appear to be new to HCRealms, based on your join date. Vlad tends to know what he's talking about when it comes to the rules. I'd take his word for it on core powers interacting.
Heroclix is not a rational game. The rules are what they are, often in spite of rationality. Plastic Man can tie you up from 2 squares away in stealth, and you can't see him to attack him even though he's holding you where you are. That is not logical, that's how the rules work.
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No one argued a good counter point to how it was worded. Also, break away says when a character is given an action and attempts to move. Free action attack then continue movement. Not move action or begins to move. According to that wording, I'm right. But they ruled how you said. Perhaps word it as such. " when a character is given a move action and attempts to move". They just need to write better. No need to get bent out of shape friend.
I'm not bent out of shape. But when you ask people a question, and are going to ignore the answer, you're wasting your time and theirs. I'm pointing that out to you in the hopes of improving the forum. If you're not going to listen to anyone because they're not "official," (even when they're providing answers straight from the rules and 2 of them are former rules deputies,) it would be more efficient for both you and the rest of us if you just go to the wizkids site instead.
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In other words, it's all Vlad's fault.
Quote : Originally Posted by Masenko
Though I'm pretty sure if we ever meet rl, you get a free junk shot on me.
Quote : Originally Posted by Thrumble Funk
Vlad is neither good nor evil. He is simply Legal.
I'm not bent out of shape. But when you ask people a question, and are going to ignore the answer, you're wasting your time and theirs. I'm pointing that out to you in the hopes of improving the forum. If you're not going to listen to anyone because they're not "official," (even when they're providing answers straight from the rules and 2 of them are former rules deputies,) it would be more efficient for both you and the rest of us if you just go to the wizkids site instead.
To be fair, only one former deputy actually provided answers to the OP's questions. The other one just came in after everything was said and done.
I meant break away says when a character is given an action and attempts to move. Not he says breaks away is an action. Sorry. Morning fog. That's the part that's worded wonky. So how about " when a character is given a power action and attempts to move"? That is more clear. Rather than saying just an action. Bc again, in my mind. Hypo, free action, and continue movement. Which is an action and an attempt to move after actions resolve from the free action. Not arguing, just trying to shed light into my thought process and their poor wording.