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Poor response from wizkids but I do think the comment on multi target mind control supports the no side of the argument so that's the way I'd rule it in the future.
I hope questions like this and the recent thread about powers that trigger at the beginning of turn suggest to wizkids the need to provide clearer terminogy for the order and resolution of "events" within the phases of the game in the next rule book, it seems to me a lot of these types of issues could possibly be dealt with by tidier game language.
Poor response from wizkids but I do think the comment on multi target mind control supports the no side of the argument so that's the way I'd rule it in the future.
I hope questions like this and the recent thread about powers that trigger at the beginning of turn suggest to wizkids the need to provide clearer terminogy for the order and resolution of "events" within the phases of the game in the next rule book, it seems to me a lot of these types of issues could possibly be dealt with by tidier game language.
Which comment was that?
If anything, targeting multiple characters with Mind Control would be pretty analogous to this situation and in that case you can most definitely have one MC'd character carry another.
I'm playing a Gotham Underworld team:
BAO Black Mask (sorry for mistakenly putting SOG)
JW Bane
JW Firefly
Black Mask has this power:
VAST FORTUNE: Give Black Mask a power action and all adjacent friendly characters that have the Assassin keyword or share a keyword with him may immediately be given a move action as a free action.
I give Black Mask a power action to use Vast Fortune while adjacent to Firefly and Bane. Firefly is given a move action as a free action and carries Bane 8 spaces. Bane is given a move action as a free action. Is that legal? Bane was carried but since the move action is a free action it should be legal, right?
The simplest way to do this is for Black Mask to use VAST FORTUNE to give Bane and Firefly a free move action. With that free move action Firefly carries Black Mask and Bane moves adjacent to Firefly, then as a normal move action Firefly could then carry Bane into a new position.
If anything, targeting multiple characters with Mind Control would be pretty analogous to this situation and in that case you can most definitely have one MC'd character carry another.
Quote : Originally Posted by Lantern Jordan 2814
You can't give actions simultaneously. Just like multi-target Mind Control, these free actions have to be given and resolved one at a time, during BM's power action. "Immediately", in this context, has to be redundant, because trying to apply that E&C entry makes the power not actually function properly, as you would only get to give a free action to one character.
The only real question as to how this power works is whether the ability to be given the free actions "queues up" once BM is given the power action. As written, the game doesn't do that for activated abilities like this. Obviously, WKs could give an intent ruling on this (which I'd be fine with), but until they do, he doesn't work like that.
I was going with this comment from Lantern jordan as it suggested to me you need to that was the way he was thinking but maybe I misinterpreted his intent, its possible I should never get into rule discussions after a 12 hour night shift.
That said seeing as Wizkids have washed their hands of the issue to quote He-Man " I have the power " I'll play it the way I think is right and stop wondering about it till they inevitably do the same thing again with a modern age figure.
The simplest way to do this is for Black Mask to use VAST FORTUNE to give Bane and Firefly a free move action. With that free move action Firefly carries Black Mask and Bane moves adjacent to Firefly, then as a normal move action Firefly could then carry Bane into a new position.
definitely still in night shift addled brain mode had to read this a few times for it to sink in then I had an epiphany (well it is Christmas)I may be wrong but I got to a sort of yes we are all right for all three opinions in this discussion.
if you have the opinion that both figures get a free move because they both started off adjacent and it doesn't matter where Bane is when he uses it then it works
if you have the opinion that Bane needs to be adjacent when he starts his free move action then it just becomes a timing issue on the free moves if first Bane moves then Firefly moves adjacent (carrying Black mask or not) then that works as well
if you have the Wizkids opinion, what are you doing playing with those boring old figures do what you want and stop bothering us unless its about the shiny new figures we want you to buy, then you do what you like and it still works
so everyone is happy and there's no need for disagreement here on the realms, it's a Christmas miracle.
Id say you have to move them both separately as free IMMEDIATE actions. THEN Firefly could carry Bane.
Bane isnt adjacent to Black Mask after being carried away and that to me makes him not qualify for the power anymore because you took an action that does, then you're trying to doing another one that doesnt since there is no adjacency (regardless if you were when it started) so the IMMEDIATE portion is kinda being ignored.
I see it similar to Spidey or Batman Enemy. You can start next to a character to get the perk but if you running shot away you not adjacent anymore and it doesnt carry over even if the power action began adjacent to the character you were borrowing the attack stat from.
Basically, after Black Mask uses the Vast Fortune power, is Firefly adjacent to IMMEDIATELY use the power? Check. After the free move action IMMEDIATELY resolves in which Bane is carried...anyone else adjacent to Black Mask to immediately use the power? No? Vast Fortune power and the free movements it gives resolves and ends.
I'd think similar logic could carry over for this ruling...at least that's how I'd bandaid rule it in the mean time.
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I'm sticking with my answer, but revising my reasoning to something I think sounds a little more 'WizKidsy'.
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VAST FORTUNE: Give Black Mask a power action and all adjacent friendly characters that have the Assassin keyword or share a keyword with him may immediately be given a move action as a free action.
The check to determine which characters qualify for the effect is performed at the time the power action is given. Each qualifying character will be able to be given the free move action regardless of a later change in their qualification.