I responded to this in my immediately previous post. I'm not at all confused on this issue.

Not true. ONLY when the Free Action does not have a qualifier with it that prohibits certain aspects of its power.

Walking, Running, Swimming, Cycling, Driving, and Flying are all valid means of transportation. But when I ask someone to go down to the copier and make some copies for me, it doesn't mean that they're allowed to flood the building and swim down there. There's a certain level of implication involved, and it's not a far stretch by any means to assume that any free action that can only be used to make a close or ranged combat attack is taking the close combat or ranged combat action approach to get there.

Ok. Lets brake down the Hypersonic speed paragraph.
"(1) When you give this character a move action, it automatically breaks away and may move through squares adjacent to opposing characters." ok so far so good

"This character receives one free action during its movement that it may use to make a close combat or ranged combat attack." ok the first sentence said when you give your character a move action, so in order to use this part of the power you had to give your charater a move action. So the 2nd sentence say's; your character receives one free action during its movement to made a close combat or ranged combat attack. In other words the free action you get is to be use only for a ranged or close combat attack. If you where ment to use RCE or CCE it would of said you receive one free action, period

Did I make any sence?? or am i off my rocker.
LOL just trying to help.

You forgot "party of the first part", "party of the second part" and the necessary whereas and heretofores.

The important word in the definition of free action is "MAY" and then "description of the free action will indicate what other type of action may be used"

The description VERY plainly states that the free action may be a ranged or close combat attack. Not a power action that will give you another free action.

The issue isn't the metal cylinder previously full of annelids, it is the anosmia in regard to the brewing of the java

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Thanks. I needed that

all this friendly banter can be stopped by one simple thing.

Nowhere in HSS does it say you may give this character a power action. You must directly give the HSS'er a ranged combat or close combat attack. Not soething that indirectly allows you to take a ranged attack.

P.S. sry if this discussion has gotten past this point and on to something deeper.

Personally i think it would have been a lot easier to just say "give this character a close or ranged combat attack that does not use an action." I think this would clear up confusion. This way you could not even think about using RCE or CCE, etc.

Well, since you went there, I will too.

If you asked someone to go down to the copier without specifying which mode of transportation to use, then you have assigned them a free action to move. That free action can then assign a move action (to walk over there) or a power action (to Charge over there). Both move the person from point A to point B, but with different types of actions. No, they would not be allowed to flood the building, because that is not movement.

When rules are involved, you are not allowed to imply or assume, but must act according to what is written down as law. And while the "close combat or ranged combat action approach to get there" is the quickest and easiest way, it is not the only way.


RCE is a ranged combat attack. CCE is a close combat attack.


That is the problem, you can't do that. A free action by itself cannot make an attack. A free action can only assign another action.

No, what they should have done was use the language of Charge/Running Shot. Clear and precise with no wiggle room. The way you just put it is pretty much the same thing we already have.

RCE and CCE are power actions, not attacks. You make an attack using the powers, but they aren't free attack actions, they are power actions and therefore not allowed in conjunction w/ a power that only allows free attack actions, those being RS, Charge and HSS.

RCE and CCE, while being triggered with Power Actions, are most certainly attacks. And according to the rules, a free action can trigger their use. And the only reason they are not usable with Running Shot and Charge is because they are specifically excluded from use in the PAC ("ranged/close combat ACTION as a free action").

Not to sound negative, but for those of you acting like they can't believe that people are making it this complicated and that people should be able to assume B when given the A and the C will not be hired as my lawyer anytime soon. It also sounds like you've never had to convince someone who is adament about a particular situation (and who is a judge) about a rule set that leaves a lot of "interpretation" room. I see both sides and I think they are valid arguments, I tend to follow the spirit of the rules unless told otherwise so I think I know what they are implying most of the time. But when you get into a situation where someone disagrees at the table, most people want to see where it says such and such in the rulebook.

For the person who asked would I rather have a lengthy PAQ, yes I would, at least it would cut out a lot more arguments.