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Both games are different. DM is certainly cheaper...but also has less cards for it. People are comparing DM in its BASE SET stage with Yu-Gi-Oh which has released a whole bunch of sets. Yu-Gi-Oh has trap cards which makes the game more interactive. DM is just switching taking turns. The opponent's only contribution for the oppopsing turn is to choose the target of "his" shield triggers.
Yu-Gi-Oh is a broken game...but not because of the mana system. Didn't stop Magic...and you may notice that DM also has some "high powered cards". DM does a heck of job trying to balance...looking at the latest Japanese DM sets I see a bunch of weird things. Fire gets an unblockable, Light gets a 3 mana Brain Serum, Light sprouting the ability to recover shields.
Yu-Gi-Oh's ban list helps curb the trend of powerful cards. Duel Masters in my opinion develops a bunch of high powered cards, but then tweaks each civ just enough to balance the game.
Originally posted by Zell17 it's because YGO is a game where a single card can win you the entire game. It's like, "Yes, I have gotten all 3 Dark Necrofears and 2 Dark Ruler Ha Des out. Now I will attack!" Then your opponent says the two word that tore apart you entire deck strategy, "Mirror Force." Then they Monster Reborn your Ha Des, play Scapegoat, and equip Ha Des with United We Stand. There you go, game (assuming you already lost about 1500 LP, chances are you did). DM will more often then not take longer, due to Summoning Sickness, Mana, and the Shields.
Once again, sorry about this, I just had to get my opinion out.
Your scenario with Dark Ruler is incorrect. First, Dark Ruler Ha Des cannot be special summoned. It says so right on the card. Second, you could not play a Monster Reborn, and a Scapegoat in the same turn. The Special Summon of the goat tokens has to be the only summoning done that turn, as per the text on the card, and the official rulings.
This just serves to prove an earlier point...Yu Gi Oh is supposedly marketed to kids, but the rulings make it too difficult for that age group. If you can't read well, you won't be a very effective Yu Gi Oh player.
Anyway, to get back on topic....I got into DM because I got a free starter from Wizards of the Coast for testing out DM. 20 people at the store I play at received free starters for testing out DM.
At first I was not a big fan of the game, but it is usually not wise to judge a game only from it's starter deck. Many of the best cards in DM are not included in the starter at all, considering that Darkness, and Water are not represented.
Originally posted by Ordep Anidem There have been many descriptions about the two games, but no one has said why they choosed to play D.M. in the first place. I have been a Yu-Gi-Oh! player a long time and I think that its one of the most fun, strategic, and most action (because of the game's speed) packed TGC around. I just started playing D.M. and the reason I actually choose to play this game was because it was created from the combination of three diferent TCG's including Yu-Gi-Oh! and this is what makes D.M. a good game. Many other TCGs are slow because of the mana paying system it includes, something that for me limits the player too much and slows the game drastically. Yu-Gi-Oh! in the other hand does not have this, and that makes the game one of the fastest out there. D.M. has some of this quality which makes the game balance it self, and makes it a little faster. In Yu-Gi-Oh!, being able to play monsters, spells or traps at the same time,creates many different strategies which you can combine to create great plays, ones that could even turn the game around. D.M. is limited in this quality, for example, it is difficult to actually use a spell and summon a creature at the same time becuase once you summon the creature most probably you wont have enough mana to pay for the spell. This makes the game less strategic and slower than Yu-Gi-Oh! To conclude, Duel Masters will probably never compare to Yu-Gi-Oh! in terms of strategy and game speed, and will not be as complex. D.M. is a good game, but it is ridiculus to say that it will over run Yu-Gi-Oh!, if there is any reason why D.M. is good it has to be only because many elements of Yu-Gi-Oh! are included in it. And as I like to say, Always imitated, never duplicated.
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The many rulings in yugioh are created to balance the game and create some sort of fairness. In yugioh every deck has a counter deck or counter strategy, so no one can say that the more powerful (rare) cards one has in his or her deck, one will always win, because there is always a way to go against it.
There are no invincible decks!
Huh? You like to make biased statments, don't you? Saying YGO is better is one thing, but for the reasons you gave I can see that you haven't really played Duel masters all that much if at all.
Let me give you an example of what I mean. There is a rather annoying kid at my local hobby shop who was claiming to me that Duel Masters suck and that the gameplay is horrible. He went on about how it was a knockoff of YGO and how the cards look just like YGO cards. I asked him if he had ever played Duel Masters. He said he has never played a single game of Duel Masters. He told me that just by reading the rules he could tell it was a bad ripp-off. I told him to give me what makes DM like YGO. You know what he said? He said, and I quote, "You have to play Monsters and Spells to win." Honestly people, are THAT many YGO players THAT ignorant? I've only had one fellow YGO (Yes, I play YGO hardcore) players that actually try DM and he even went as far as buying a few boxes that day. I was amazed how much he took a liking to it. Don't knock it until you've tried it!
I Think we are getting ahead of ourselves. Duel Masters only has it's base set out in eng. It may topple Yugioh one day then somthing else will come aqlong and topple Duel masters, just the way things go. I like both games although with some of the recent yugioh ruleing I've bought some more duel masters cards. I do like the fact that just about every card an be used. I've bought too many Yugioh packs only to throw all nine cards in my card box because they were all useless.
I have a feeling each game will have it's hard-core following , I work in a toystrore and I still have people buying pokemon cards and I still have my two greatest decks and my foils.
I'd like more people to play Duel Masters, if only to see if my deck is any good.
This game is, what, a month old? There's no way of predicting what it will or will not become.
You could look at Japan, since the game is more mature there. In Japan, it is the hottest game going. But other than looking at what it's doing there, we have absolutely no way of gaging it's popularity in the western world.
This just serves to prove an earlier point...Yu Gi Oh is supposedly marketed to kids, but the rulings make it too difficult for that age group. If you can't read well, you won't be a very effective Yu Gi Oh player.
And who exactly told you that? Because it has a childish show? WAIT! Doesn't DM have one too?
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Yu-Gi-Oh is a broken game...but not because of the mana system. Didn't stop Magic...and you may notice that DM also has some "high powered cards". DM does a heck of job trying to balance...looking at the latest Japanese DM sets I see a bunch of weird things. Fire gets an unblockable, Light gets a 3 mana Brain Serum, Light sprouting the ability to recover shields.
Yugioh is only broken due to the way certain card mechanics lean into an ascendency of the rules, where their fundamentals of play work best in specific rulings favor.
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Ok...I got out of YOU GAY HOE a long time ago. And i find that DM does not have a bunch of qualities from yugioh that you said. The only quality i can think of now might be the power on the cards and that is it. Other than that i think that dm should be completely left alone from yugioh-vs-DM subjects because each game is very different from the other one.
Qualities? You even THINK to state that knowing (hopefully) the game is in its prestages of gathering interest. The only quality exisitng now is power? Untrue. Technique and strategy might have been to abstruse fo you to mention? Spells, Blockers, and Bouncers all fall under that category. Also, DM has yet to gain such in depth qualities because the game hasn't undergone later progression.
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I Think we are getting ahead of ourselves. Duel Masters only has it's base set out in eng. It may topple Yugioh one day then somthing else will come aqlong and topple Duel masters, just the way things go. I like both games although with some of the recent yugioh ruleing I've bought some more duel masters cards. I do like the fact that just about every card an be used. I've bought too many Yugioh packs only to throw all nine cards in my card box because they were all useless.
I have a feeling each game will have it's hard-core following , I work in a toystrore and I still have people buying pokemon cards and I still have my two greatest decks and my foils.
You're the only one making sense here. We are comparing card game's mechanics from one another knowing they have their own set of rules which sets them apart from other games. Different companies, different ideas. I don't see how we can type so much in this discussion without babbeling into a different subject, as did SNOW MISER.
Haha, seriously people. Don't just post because you think you know what you are talking about when in reality you start going on and talking about grandma or Rebecca who broke up with you to get your best friend.
It's not just Yugioh players that are ignorant about this game. Lots of Magic players will refuse to play Duel Masters because it's essentially a Magic Lite. I'm sure it's cliche by now but, people fear that what they don't understand. It's the way things are, the way they have been and the way they will always be.
the only reason I began to gain interest in the DM game is that it began to pop up at the places I purchased yugioh and played it. I soon found out why DM was an after thought to yugioh. I've said it before, DM is a easy game to learn, but hard to be good at, whereas yugioh is quite the opposite, difficult to learn, all the rulings in certain situations and errata you have to remember and chain priority, but it is easy to be good at, very easy with money. In my own opinion DM will die long before Yu-Gi-Oh ever does.
I agree wholeheartedly. The cartoon is much more fun to watch, the game is much easier to learn, and more strategic than YGO. Disagree with me all you want, but it is a lot harder to choose between the 4 mana, 2000+ 4000 power attacker and the 4 mana, 3000+ 2000 power attacker (DM) than between the 4 star, 1900/1200 and the 4 star, 1800/1100 (YGO).