Well as a former Marine F.O. I can tell ya when the arty comes in flight ops cease

Usable Elite Warrior House Order units!! Prepare to be in AWE of it.

i couldnt agree more itrain hehe

Because you say there should be? This set was in production long before people started assuming that it would have two elites.

Since I would say the same thing here I posted what I said in the Defence AA thread :
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OMG, a real partisan!! VTOLs, meet your "maker" hahahhaha!!

Ok, the scuplt looks good , the stats even better. We finally get an AA vehicle with 2 extra-large guns compared to the budget-cheapo AA vehicle which is the Partisan AA vehicle in FFE.

One thing I noticed is that this unit will be prone to abuse. I mean, this thing is better than the SMI, slightly more expansive ,better defence , has armor , good range , high attack and no minimum range!!! speed is irrelevant as we can always "tank drop" it.

Anyway , kudos to Wizkids for making a powerful (and might be broken) and awesome looking AA vehicle. I wonder if Wizkids will spoil the party later when they introduced the ICE mech :)

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I think the reason why Liao has 12 inch range is that they trade off range for dial consistanty and longivity. Take the Regulator for example, sure , it has 12 inch range but keep the stats better than the HL one. Not to mention it has IT with Heave armor and 0 minimum range. IT has a 7 attack, but you're not supposed to use it against mechs, use it for infantry.

Some people complain that their favorite faction doesn't get one of the new AA tank. But hey, faction purity is your own choice. I like to mix. Which reminds me that I really should start painting more MW:DA miniatures. It just looks better.

shrug, I'm very pleased by this sneak peak. The proposed atillery change would have massively increased the potency of vtols. Since Arty is currently one of the few effective ways to put the hurt on vtols, making it not stack open a big door for VTOLS. Now many arty pieces cannot even damage some VTOLS, none of the current AA units are worth their points. They all do to little damage, with to low of an attack.

This corrects the problem by putting the fear of God back into VTOL pilots.

Without them VTOLS were going to become the new whipping boy for people crying cheese.

Still, hold your praise/condemnation untill we see the attack values. That will be the make or break factor on these units.

Maybe the Liao one with a 10 attack hopefully

I said it once in the announcement thread of this unit, I'll say it again... look at the Partisans... attack values of 9, 8, 10, 9. Average 9.

With point values much higher than the Partisan, I'd expect at LEAST a 9, if not a 10.

About the overall drawback to the AA vehicle, I dunno... here's what I'd anticipate:

- 9 attack on average, possibly even 10 on the SW sweetspot (these things are quite a bit more expensive than the Partisan AAs, which had 9 attacks as well)
- 20 defense on average
- 6" movement on average (if this is the drawback)
- Estimated damage: BR - 4-AP; SS - 5-AP; SW - 5-AP(sweetspot); Li - 5-AP(or Streak?)
- Likely not to have much other SE - maybe ECM, but doubtful... PERHAPS Improved Targeting on the Liao version.

Note: the SSw Partisan AA, then add 16-30 points on top of that, slow it down, and reduce its range by 2"(4" AA) in the Liao version... keep the attack value, add some damage value, add some defense value... you probably still have room for more.

Even if VTOLs are very prominent it is alot of points to sink into a anti aircraft unit. You have to have a transport and repair vechile and a way to keep it safe from charges. In my last tourney army I had the best one so far the elite partisan and it just got charged into uselessness by arnis then 2 vtols neutralized my agility equipped colin yukinov.

They are just as good shooting vehicles or mechs as the SM1 TDs, which cost less. I don't know why you believe this will unbalance the game.

Precisely. It is way too early to speculate.

Oh yeah, VTOLs need SOOO much help. Making them the only unit type immune to arty would be just great for all those non-VTOL vehicles that no one uses.

Faction Wars was not a serious tournament even at non-scrubby venues.

A few things:

@Maraduer

The LE HL Partisan is called Tameka Pryer, not Allison Pellayo

@FLankerpilot

2 BR AA = 98pts...where'd the 86 come from?

Also...why couldn't we all talk about this in the Sneak Peek thread? It is beyond me why everyone feels like they have to open a new thread that is "theirs" to talk about something that already has a thread open. C'mon guys...that's not necessary.

and finally...this looks like it will be a sweet unit :).

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I like the sleek nose of the MHI. Maybe it's an amphibious AA tank. Making it the only AAA tank...

Note: Can't wait for the Amphibious, Anally-Adventurous, Anti-Aircraft unit that'll come out in 2005 (given the escalation of arms race...)

Please no LE for the Cats..... this peace is ballistic, and nearly all SC ballistic peaces are utterly ####. It will most likely have a 8 attack, 10 inchs, 3 clicks ballistic without SE, 21 heavy defense and camouflage.

What sickens me more is that Swordsworn get AA unit number 3, Steel Wolves get AA unit number 2, and this will render these factions nearly invulnerable to VTOLS. And how many AA pieces do the Republic have? Right, zero. Seems that after Counterassault, they still will have zero. I think one of the four unit peaces I wished for CounterAssault just died.

That AA tank will be a beast.... just think of a SS army of that tank, Balacs and Towed AA Artis. I shoot everything with Balacs and my arti, and if anything touches my Balac, I shoot it down in one turn with my AA Tank. Who needs Mechs?