I'm impressed (or perhaps depressed). Back in the day Ceasar Spano was the undisputed champian of ####. Now it looks like he has a fair amount of competition.

BTW: Megahn Tenclay isn't THAT bad. She's probably 20-30 points overcosted but there are WAY worse peices. Not to mention she is Unique rather then LE.

Hmmm...for point cost VS usefulness I'd have to go for either

a) Ezekiel Crow (290 points and nothing to show for it)
b) Kal "But I have Command!!!" Raddick

For the "just a waste of plastic" or "Why was I even made" award I'd go for:

a) Cesar "I'm SS!!" Spano
b) Cora "I'm slow AND have no ranged weapons!!!" Nova Cat
c) any of the LI vehicle LEs (they're somewhat useful but they're LIAO...would have been better to make SH LEs to balance things out a bit ya know :ermm: )

d) not uniques but deserve a mention: Tonka mechs :p

What? No one has mentioned the undisputed Queen of Carp: Leena Cochrane!

A poor design in Dark Age has become a suicide machine these days!

I'll toss my hat in for Cesar and Leena.

I'm amazed at how readily people bash a 'Mech with a 12 attack for three (THREE!) clicks. I'm beginning to think these armchair QBs don't even play the freakin' game anymore.

12 attack for 3 clicks, followed by 11 attack for 3, followed by 10
attack for 3 is nice - no doubt. Problem is, this mech is loaded
with costly SE's that do NOTHING for it. 5 clicks of armor SE
(2 HA, 3 HV) followed by 7 clicks of decoy. Then, throw in
the very Blade-like defense of 21 combined with the insane
amount of AP equiped units and you have 12 clicks worth of
meaningless defense SE.

Next, we have 5 clicks of electronic camo. You and I both know
this unit would have been better off with 5 clicks of evade,
instead. The best defense against AP is...........higher defense.
A 23 vs. ranged would have filled the bill nicely, here. A 16"
run with no heat and ability to break on anything but a 1
would have been nice, too. Then, defensive SE's wouldn't have
been necessary.

To sum up, they should have put the points into ramping up the
energy and ballistic by 2 damage clicks per click; swapping the
EC for evade with NO defense SE's; and leaving everything else
alone.

As I play Highlanders, I know how heavily-weighted armor SE's
are, cost-wise (no flames, please - just a statement, nothing
more). I'm confident in saying that this unit could have been much
better for a lot less!

Instead, it's a 290 point light mech HEAVILY dependent on getting
first strike. ;)

To quote someone at my venue:
'I don't care how long Crow keeps 12 attack, if he can't get in range, or stay alive long enough, to use it, it doesn't mean [String of expletives deleted to protech virgin ears]!'

Actually, even though I've lisitened to countless of Warflail's anit-Leena rants, I still don't mind her. I used her in an all-Melee game, and her name was being cursed-not by me from crappiness, but from my opponents because SHE WOULD NOT DIE! AND SHE WOULD NOT LOSE HER HATCHET! I took the combined fire of:
1) Jonah Levin
2) Derek Hasbani
3) Liao Sun Cobra
4) DF Mjolner
5) Her shutdown
to bring her down! And she just kept hacking and hacking and hacking! Sure, she never actually killed anything, but she tenerized loads so my MiningMech MODs could finish them.

But, now, with Claretha Francis's Vailant kicking around, any use she had just left.

I was waiting to see some one say her!!!

I agree, she just sucks. Pure ####.

Yes, but Evade is ALSO a costly SE, one that would have made Crow even more expensive, because giving that 'Mech Evade instead of ECM would have been just crazy stupid powerful.

I know this is going to make it into someone's sig, so I'm gonna make it real big and stylish-like:

I, TREVORTHEOKAY, DO DECLARE THAT EZEKIEL CROW IS A GREAT FIGURE FOR HIS POINTS!

So there.

Caesar Spano could have been made good by 2 things
1. 1 capacity transport
2. Command

I'm still waiting for a command unit that is not a mobile target for SS.
________
VAPORIZER VOLCANO

Trev, obviously you really like Crow. Nothing wrong with that. :)
To each his own.

However, please remember that I did state that the 12 clicks of
defense SE's COMBINED WITH the 5 clicks of EC would be more
than enough to cover my proposed changes (which weren't even
radical - just sensible) while still allowing for, at least, a slight
REDUCTION in cost. My proposed Zeke Crow would look
something like this:


Name: Ezekiel Crow - Blade - Unique
Rarity: LE
Primary Range Attack: 1 target - 0/10 inch(s) 270 º
Secondary Range Attack: 1 target - 0/10 inch(s)
Number: Liao Incursion - 136
Cost: 260 - 270
Faction: Republic of the Sphere
Regiment: Paladin

Primary - Energy : 4
Secondary - Ballistic : 5 AP
Move - 8 Evade
Attack - 12 Command
Defense - 21

Primary damage remains same for next 2 clicks, dropping by 1 for
7 clicks after that, followed by 3 clicks of salvage.

Secondary damage remains the same for next 2 clicks, dropping
by 1 for 7 clicks after that, followed by 3 clicks of salvage.

Move remains same for next click, followed by 4 clicks of 7 move,
followed by 2 clicks of 6 move, then 3 clicks of 5 move, and 2
clicks of 4 move.

Attack stays the same for next 2 clicks (with Command), dropping
to 11 for 3 clicks (2 with Command), dropping to 10 for 3 clicks,
and followed by a 9 for 1 click before salvage.

Defense is exactly the same as listed, but with NO SE's.

Heat dial and Vent remain unchanged.

Even if the cost remained the same, for the sake of argument, I'd
much rather pay 290 for my version than for the official version.

That's just me, though. :)

Armour is not where the points are tied up its his command, and insanely strong attack values. This is a unit that can be almost on death and still do damage, how many other units, realistically, can actually hit the broad side of a barn, 3 to 2 clicks from salvage?? NONE! (Well maybe a couple, but ver very few...Sadia, Abedo [DF Panther], the Wolfs Dragoons Centurion...)

I think Crow would be very useful in a big-point (750+) game where his deep Command SE would come in very handy.

Some of these things, like Spano, for example, I just see no use for.

Fetanet Eryaman - Panther

also special mention to any firestarter, because a friend and I pulled about 6-7 of them total from maybe 12-15 FFE boosters. I loathe them.

Anyways, I traded some #### piece for the panther when I was starting out because it was 90ish points. Doesn't really matter if it blows up on it's second click of heat. Gah stupid SS heat, I'll stick with my DF.

Everyone seems to be missing my point here - defense SE's aren't
free, right? EC SE isn't free, right? I'm not talking about changing
his command or his attack. They stay the same. I'm talking about
re-allocating the points that go into armor and EC and putting
them, instead, into increased weapons damage and Evade SE.

Now, you tell me (a Highlander player, remember) that armor SE's
aren't expensive? Bunk! They're more expensive than AP. Here's a
question. How many Highlanders units have BOTH AP and Defense
SE's? The answer is 9. Of those, only 2 are mechs. Of those, 1 is
an LE (Domonic Voeller). Everyone with me, so far?

Now, take a unit with AP (but without Defense SE's) and compare
it to a similarly priced Highlanders unit with Defense SE's (but
without AP). Look at the attack values, move, damage, and
ranges of each. It's a pretty safe bet that the Highlanders unit
will have a lower attack and damage (at least). Why? Because
all that armor is EXPENSIVE. I would wager that AP costs 1/2
to 2/3 of what hardened and heavy armors cost.

I didn't go into all this to re-open the old Highlander arguments or
start any flame wars (please refrain from doing so). I went into
all this to underscore my point about Ezekial Crow. I STILL say,
and won't be convinced otherwise, that my changes could be
made to Crow, while actually reducing his point cost!

Is there NO one else who understands this? :ermm:

eat moldy goat cheese dragonprince85. I have felled lenty of foes with a Spirit Cat army. Just because you happen to suck with them does not mean you have to bring them down.