Actually its an 11 attack.

I'm not knocking you :)

I'm pointing out how being able to stick gunslinger's in a faction's mech is broken. Especially when they make dirt cheap pilots like that. It costs 19 points for the +2 movement +1 defense of a JF Star Commander and it costs 16 points to stick a +2, +1, +1 gunslinger in the mech instead it can even use both quads and regular mechs. 3 points cheaper and gives a bonus to Attack means its broken. I've already proven any faction pilot being slapped into a mech will pretty much never be broken, they pay way more for thier faction recruitment then gunslingers do.

I'm guessing the reason is that you can use as many a JF Star Commanders at you want, but that unlikley to be much of an issue in 450 point games.

The flaw in your argument is that the JF Star Commander isn't +2 movement, +1 defense - I've got the card in hand, and it gives +2 attack, +1 defense. Given that attack bonuses are more expensive than movement bonuses, it really isn't all that surprising that Petros is cheaper, even in a JF 'Mech, than the JF Star Commander.

+2 movement +1 attack +1 defense is a hell of a lot better for a mech then +2 attack and +1 defense. Course I never really bothered to check the Star Commander card, but you are correct. Still does not change the fact that you won't need very many common pilots if you have cheaper and better gunslingers.

My thoughts are with you. All the hype about the House Liao and now they are effectively removed fromt he game in January with set retirement. Not a sinlge perso thats not Liao has even said a thing in support.

so when JF go by the way side and CSF, then don't expect any simpathy from Liao players, if anything they will just laugh.

now how many Liao players are going to say F#$%^it and only play unresticted now our house has be removed.


thanks David, i just live for the days of the green units. I mean just because every unit thats Liao pays for the ponts for the abilites and yetonly 25% of units can actually use the awe ability.

Not to mention that GS recruited to Liao don't count towards the awe factor! I mean my God, whats the point of paying for a GS to house Laio when by doing so you get not as many bebeifts as the JF ones and yet pay at like 25% more for these abilities.

You so got that right Wizkids!!!

Heh, is the 11 for base point cost, or for point cost IN her mech??

Anyway, it looks pretty good for the Falcons, and don't worry, Liao boys, a Davion IS supporting you....ME :). Why give the ####ed CJF more #### they can use for cheesy boing-boings and not give us Liao players (please differentiate between fluff, yeah) things that we can't very well use for awe?? People hate House Liao but are willing to sign up with the nutter Falcons?? Yeah, sure........

On another note, 22 def with evade and a 10 attack isn't half bad for 125 points. But if 11 is the cost in her mech, is it lower outside?? Or maybe it'll be higher :p......

Interesting assumption, but wrong. Not that it's surprising that people happily make mistakes or deliberately lie when attacking WizKids, but it might just be that not everyone sees through it. The most logical thing to assume is that only elite Liao units actually pay for Awe. But enough of this, let's get back to the actual topic.

sorry to go off topic a bit on that.

My thoughts, well who cares as i can't recruit to House Liao, so i think this GS sucks and the mechs is junk as per every other post read in regards to this mech.

just like the X-axis mech, great sculpt but why actually use it for play?

The mech would be a good mech for Sea Fox, just like X-Axis. I have, in fact, found X-axis to routinely be a stronger mech then Josem Hawker. This looks like it, teamed with X-Axis and Najeh Hammond will make a good tournement force...seeing as Wizkids only wants Sea Fox to use Gunslingers

I dont recruit GS pilots to certain factions usually, unless Im taking advantage of an alliance or faction prides. Or if I am trying to create an Ubermech. Right now its Blackrose all the way. I could also try Enrico in it for a 24 defense.

This 'Mech is not bad if you put IT on it. Even though without Evade it runs the risk of meeting an early grave, it would only cost 148 points (if I did my math correctly).

On the unrelated topic of the disapearance of Liao units, I would love to see a 12" Jump Jet "Yu Haung" backed up with a cool pilot ability roaring through the Age of Destruction. Here's hoping for the set after Ahnnialation.
(I would also like to see another CSF 'Mech in the Age of Destruction.... and the Dragon's Fury take over the Combine....Death to Kurita!!).

Can you pre-order this mech yet? I can't seem to get it into a shopping cart on the website.

Sorry to cut topic.

Me thinks someone has been raiding the Spirit Cats' stash, again! :p

No I dont think you can yet. I think you can buy it on July 6th.