If a new player were to ask for my honest opinion right now on how to make a competitive army, I would direct them to ebay to pick up all the "big" LE's they need to win. Add in about $5 worth of singles at a local venue on top of the $300 worth of LE's and you are now competitive. Boosters? Why even bother?

won't cost us any players I don't think, those games are different, plus they require painting. From what the WK people said, the KI Griffin titan will blow away those mini's anyway, the sculpt is said to really rock! anyone seen one yet??

anyway, I've seen the entire Uprising set, and the sculpts there are just great, wait till you see the Orcy goodness!!!

Sorry, I just don't buy the statement that you have to spend $300 on LEs to be competitive. What LEs do you think are required to be competitive in a 200 or 300 point tournament? Not only do statements like that turn off any new people interested in trying the game, they further a growing misconception that you cannot win without using expensive LEs in your army.

The reason I dislike Skyros is not because it is an LE, or that it is powerful. I think it ruins the physics of the game. I do not think single base figures should be moving 20" let alone charging from 10". The movement rates for figures becomes absurd when you have some moving at 6" while others (non-mounted) moving more than 3 times the speed. The fast figures require fast figures to keep up with them, and pretty soon many of the slow figures become trivial.

Charging for 20" doesn't ruin the game, Kenntak... that's like having a 10" range, which i've heard some people compare to having no range at all.



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But Bounding for 20" ruins it... heck, bound ing for 18" ruins it... or for 16"... or for any number, really. Bound is the ability I hate the most... i even hate it when i play it myself. it's just too easy... playing an army with any bound figure is the most cowardly, cheap, nad hateful thing a person can do to a person like me that loves to be creative and have fun with their armies... just like playing a Ram gun was. As much as i love Wizkids for the coolness and depth of the next set, and the great play they made with the rules changes, Bound should have gotten touched up a bit... at least make the break away harder for bounders. at least... still that allows them to dominate all other figures without bound... a figure without bound, ram, or charge is a useless figure in this environment, and this is not the environment i like. i want to be able to build any army i want and have it at least get the chance to play out... not get blown to smithereens by an Amy Drac who, even if i have the insane luck of her critically missing, still is able to break away from my 5 figures that swarmed her [i threw everything i had at it, seizing the once-in-a-war opportunity], get healed, come back, and use that awful unfair range to blast apart my Orcs... who outnumbered her 21 to 1 in number and 200 to 108 in points... i think that all abilitie's point cost should be redeveloped so that it balances out... in order for me to think bound is fairly costed, it would have to be costed around 40 to 50 points per slot, maybe dropping down to around 20-30 for any slots after the first... then it would have something to almost balance out the the unlimited resouirces and mobility it grants it's weilder.
Personally, I boycott bound. if i pull a bounder, i trade it; if i am fighting a bound army, I play my hardest out of utter spite and still lose to an uncerative and comepltely unoriginal strategy...
where went the days when i could bring in a new army with a brand new strategy, and it would take everyone by surprise and work it's magic at least once without getting itself killed! Where did those days go, huh? where? I'd like to know. Because every time i bring a creative army nowadays, Jdklaw's and "Mas"s [who will remain unnamed, as well as "Xam"] "uber" armies blast it to peices before it even gets out of the gate... out of the two of them, only Jdklaw ever plays anything that is creative and daring and doesn't always use the best and most efficeint peices. [note to Wizkids: If this game was handled the way I would like to see it handled, no peice would be more efficient or useful than any other... long, thought-out days of playtesting would be replacing your incredibly fast-paced production of new sets... i know many people who would buy more figures if they knew every one would be good... in fact i know many people who don't buy as many because they rarely ever get anything good, and it's a waste of money.]

I hope you've all kept an open mind through my ranting, or at least left in the beginning. I'd hate the think that my words fell on deaf ears, or were watched by eyes blind to the opinions of others. I hope you think about this, and should you feel the same way about the state of the game, I am always attentive to my PM box, willing to talk to someone about it... conversation is the first step to understanding, and understanding is the first step to change...

Kallacato

LE's will be necessary for nationals armies- add up the e-bay cost of the top 10 armies. If the average value is less than $50 I am going to be suprised....

I'm betting (given the manufacturing is all going to be outsourced to China for all CMG's) that those games will equal this game in terms of sculpt quality ..which means the lack of playability will affect which game rules in the end. Look at the pictures on the link I posted.

Does anyone who got into this game because they saved $50 on buying a set of rules and a codex feel smart when they look at the current top figures? How much did you spend on rebellion
and what percentage of that set do you use ? Do the math and work out whether MK is killing one of its strongest selling points
-low entry cost for competitive army.

A 1 LE or unique per army rule may be necessary ......

yeah, having LE's that are significantly better than regular figures is just silly. Why buy figs unless they are better than the LE's? This just means the next set will have to have over powered figs that will make the game even more unbalanced, making all the old stuff worthless. Wizkids needs to hire some new playtesters. Its getting way too out of control.

Dude I hope that I win a skyros. But If not I will try to trade out the ying-yang for it.

KenWong: Add in the cost to go to Origins and GenConn too if you want to play in Nationals/World competitions.



It's expensive to play at that level but I don't think it's necessary. I only buy boosters and trade for what I don't have or win at tournaments. I started collecting in Nov and I think I have a decent group of figs and I actually use most of them, if not playing MK at least as monsters in my DnD games :)


I don't think this thread will change anyone's mind one way or another. Do I want Skyros? Yeah. Will I get one? Dunno I might win I guess. Am I using any expensive figs? Nope. My big fig is a Striker I traded some Campaign LE's for and a Pyramid Hero.


Oh well sorry for rambling.

I got a look at Skyros yesterday at the venue....just look mind you....I didn't get to play it. It is a very nicely painted sculpt. The 10" charge will make him a very powerful harrasser or formation breaker. It puts a threat on the battlefield against big bound, and will allow you to get around almost any terrain feature. It also will give you a very solid stand-off threat.

The biggest mistake people may make with him is to charge him out using his full 20" and outrun your support.

One comment. I may be wrong, but I thought it's attack was 11, not 10.

Steve