that's the ONLY reason I can ever see to change him. I don't like the idea of one card hampering future designs. But playwise, right now, there's nothing wrong with him.

It's not just about sentinels. It's about the designers having to design all future cards AROUND Longshot. This limits the creativity of design we see in new abilities and whatnot for fear that Longshot could abuse them since he can be used with any team as written now. As the card pool gets larger, it's gonna get tougher and tougher to keep "broken longshot combos" out of the game.

As for sentinels, they were never intended by the designers to be played in an army deck with Longshot as a draw engine. They were intended to initially be a second tier team that you could make "fun" decks from that would get more cards (and get better) in a future set. Longshot was not part of the equation. He breaks the whole concept of a sentinel deck because the wild vomit decks that are being played are not sentinel decks. They are only using TWO different sentinel cards and abusing the pure card advantage from Longshot. None of the other sentinel cards will see play until they fix Longshot, no matter how good they are. Do you really think anyone will play the new 7 drop sentinel in a vomit deck? Hell no. Since vomit/longshot decks are WAY better than any other sentinel deck because of the massive card advantage, cards that don't work in that deck (90% of the sentinel cards) will not be played. Giving sentinels their own new card advantage isn't really an option since it would ahve to be better than Longshot for people to play it, and if it was then it would be broken in itself. They need to fix Longshot so the Sentinels will be playable like they were intended and so the designers have more freedom to design cool cards for future sets.

-Eric

like I said, the one reason that is viable IMO to change him is to prevent stifling of future expansions. NOT to cripple Sentinels (which is what banning or changing him would do). Yes, lots of their cards don't get used, but that's the same for all teams. Who uses Mutant Menace? X-Corp? Baxter Building? That's like being upset that BBH decks don't use Unus or Asteroid M. Certaind ecks use certain cards. Sents are no different. Just that their build doesn't use said cards.

Actually, this is not true, and in most cases, the -only- non-sentinel card with the exception of Longshot is cover fire.

The issue is not the sentinels (as can be seen with GPCD cop decks). The issue is the army mechanic. It is impossible to play an army deck without a method to consistently draw more cards. Playing only one drop army characters, you will run out of cards about turn 4 or 5.

The only way to make any army swarm deck viable is with a drawing engine like Longshot.

If they had a way to draw cards (like a PT that lets you draw a card when you play a 1-drop army character), then this problem goes away. But until then, no army deck will ever be competitive at the tournament level without him.

I say leave the card be. His card ability is based on his power of Luck. This has been shown time and time again. When he is hitting his calls he does wonders and when he misses the crap hits the fan.

So, where is the problem. Maybe those that want it errata need a better strategy when facing the Longshot army decks?

Or maybe we should just arrata any card that seems to be hard to get around?

Just flame trap the damn thing already would you:)

Ude has been keeping things close knit, Longshot in the end has it's own up's and down's.

Please remember these are only my opinion's & thoughts:)

I will settle this. I volunteer to write the errata. It goes like this:

"As an additional cost to recruit Longshot, you must reveal a Sentinel character card from your hand."

This is getting ridiculous. Without the card, the Sentinels would have been shut out in Indy. Would that please you? I know the R&D boys didn't want it to happen either, but it did. There is a Tier One Sentinel deck, pre-Web. Get used to it.

I agree that Longshot would impact the desirability to play other Sentinel cards. I love the Sentinels they're my personal favourite team. Maybe an errata that asks to reveal another X-Men character in hand when recruiting him helps.

The problem with Longshot is, if he can played played in any deck, they have to be careful not to make any card that will make it too strong in combination w/ Longshot.

~Tombster212

there is nothing wrong with Longshot. So what if it lets you have a possibility, even if it is a good one, to get some extra cards. You oppoent always knows whats coming. Longshot isn't the problem, it's people not wanting to play differnt cards and try to fight them, but rather say there deck is impossible to beat, but the sentinals beat it so the sentinals are too strong with longshot.
And Mark II-2 will not be the awnser to flame trap. It will be the awnser to flame trap in a curve sentinals deck, but anyone who would tkae one of those over 3 wilds in a vomit deck, is insane.

And other army decks do work, they just take alot of playtesting and alot of work without the addtinal longshot draw power. I have a Sentinals/GCPD deck that is good, but it makes up for the early draw with late draw, useing batman and Primary directives(which isn't nearly as hard to use once you have dynamic duo to keep your guys from being stunned)

This arguement is settled. They will never errata Longshot, or any other character, beyond a rules clarrification. They will never errata a restriction onto the character. No CCG ever does, it causes too many problems. The best you can hope for is for him to be banned.

And that is a silly thing to hope for. He is not broken. You make a deck around him, you do that. He's not a sential, who cares? If Wild Vomit were dominating, you might have a case, but it's not. It's simply too hard to rely on Longshot.

But he will NEVER be erratad the way some of you want.

I really don't see the case you guys are trying to prove. From what I understand of it you are upset from the "brokeness" of a card in one deck that ISN'T dominating? O_o

Sounds like someone is lazy and want's the easy way out. There is no point to banning a card that only helps a single archetype. You ban or change something when it becomes a problem.

We need a "beating a dead horse" emoticon.

um, why is this sounding like the Lost City argument again

longshot could be errata, upperdeck has no problems errataing cards. if anyone here plays or played yugioh they already know this. longshot is not being played the way it was intended. all they need to do is errata it to someting like reveal another xmen card from your hard or discard a x-men card from your hand to recruit longshot or give him loyalty. this is not an arguement against sent decks. this is for the development of the game. longshot is a card that can easily be abused in the wrong way. it should be changed

Upperdeck has NEVER errated a Yu-Gi-Oh card. In fact, they have never ruled a single thing to do with that game. Anything errated, or ruled, or any card banned/restricted, was all on Konami. Konami has full control on rulings and how the game is run. Upperdeck is just the middleman, making money on the english prints of the cards and staying back while Konami takes it's sweet time on English rulings.

I beleive that changing longshot will have a negative impact on the game. Yes, i have a sentinel deck. Would i feel the same if i didn't? Yes. To the person who referenced Yu-Gi-Oh, 1. most of the major changes they make in rulings come from Konami, not UDE, and 2. they haven't ever made a change in the game text of a card, at least not that i know of. I play ESU Science Lab in my Sent deck. it wasn't meant for sentinels, it was meant for Spider-Friends. It should say that spider friends characters you power up get reinforced, right? i mean common, if lost city wasn't a replacement effect than ESU and lost city would be broken. +3/+3 and reinforcement for a card i can get back? what about the decks that all play reconstruction program? i throw away my characters and get them back. it should only be return a sentinel character to your hand, not any character. You can argue that any card is to powerful in a certain deck type, that doesn't make it true. maybe i'll build a ferak/wildabeast deck with longshot. that would be sooooo broken.

edit: i din't see the post where Marty McFly pointed out the konami thing.