hmmmmmm...now that is a question....i cannot answer....

im gonna go with no...if they replace the choosen character you no longer get the effects of hanks power just like if you replaced hank you would choose a new character and not get the benifit of the old character any more.....

remeber in terms of game mechanics, garth is not the same character as the garth used to replace him, even though in flavor terms they are. but flavor has no effect on the game.

its like if they had garth in play with some dual side arms. if for some reason they recruited another garth the original one would be KOed along with the dual sidearms, not giving the equipment to the new garth that just came down.

with that in mind, can oyu see my argument for the superman characters? The sub text under the name Superman has no meaning in the game, its just for 'flavor'. I dotn see how that question differs with the superman characters.

no the superman thing is not flavor cause the word superman on that card is in reference to this card, nothing flavor bout that.

EXACTLY, and heank henshaw is in reference to himself, meanign he istn stunnable by a chosen character an opponent controls, i choose tha character superman. Man, this is really buggin the hell out of me that i cant understand why it doesnt work with ANY superman played....I guess i wont be satisfied till an UDE rep comes in and says 'BEACUASE WE SAID SO YOU STUBBORN A-HOLE!"

BojackSolaris: That is what I thought, however, if you think about it, the cards would be unbelievably good for any Superman/Spider-Man deck... so I see their point...

i guess i will analyze this more tomorrow and try to see it where you guys are coming from. I guess i kinda understand it now. each character in the play zone, no matter is name or version or whatever is treated as an entirely different object, even if they have identical names. meh, i hate team superman.

im trying to look it up in the big rule book right now

ok this is what i have come up with

the superman question.....

201.1 a card name appears across the top of the card. whenever an effect or modifier refers to the name of the card that produced it, it is only refering to that card that put the effect on the chain, and not any other instance of that card. Whenever an effect or modifier refers to control of a card name, it is referring to an object with that card name.

so you cannot remove a cosmic counter fron any other version of superman or another copy os superman blue to activate his power.


202.3 Whenever an effect refers to a card name without refering to a card's version name, the effect refers to all version names of that card.

this is what i was thinking before i read hanks card again. naming a character would seard the "In-play" zone for any characters named what ever name you selected. but when you much choose a character you must choose one character that includes all specifics including version. you would have to choose super man blue or spuer man red.....not just superman.

now does it make sence?

so how do you know hte difference between choosign a character 'version' and jsut choosing a character? hank only says choose a characeter, which would fall into the


Hank specifically states that you choose a character, i am choosing that character which falls into effecting all version names of that card. I jsut got even more confused because it looks liek that rule says im right (trying not ot be pig headed here).

no your not just chooseing that character your choosing that character its version and that card inspecific....

when you choose a character your opponent control you are slecting all the specifics.... down to the very piece of cardboard it is printed on.

your forgeting the part about without refering to its version name....when choosing a character you are also selecting the version name. that is the difference between name a character and choose a character.

lets look at it this way......
lets say im playing team superman and on turn 5 i drop blue supes and already have red supes.

now on your build you drop hank, now it says choose a character opponent (thats me) controls. you say superman. well thats not choosing a character. which superman. then you say blue. so now my superman blue is effected by hanks power.

had hanks power said name a character then when you recruited hank and said superman then your hank card would search for all characters with the name characteristic "Superman" and both my characters would have been effected by hank.

Ok, this is how Hank Henshaw works:

When he comes into play you choose a SPECIFIC INSTANCE of a character. Say I'm playing Wild Vomit, and I have 3 copies of Mark IV out when you bring out Hank Henshaw. You pick ONE of these Mark IV's and you point at it. Now, if you attack THAT Marv IV or get attacked by THAT Mark IV, you won't be stunned. But let's say that all my Mark IV's are stunned and the one I recover is NOT the one you chose. Now ... your ability is irrelevant.

If you are confused in the case of the Superman not being able to use his ability on other versions of himself, look at Superman, Red's text:

Pay 1 endurance >>> Character cards named Superman are not unique this turn

This applies to ALL copies of Superman while

Cosmic: While Superman is attacking from the front row, he gets +4 ATK.

This applies only to this SPECIFIC instance of Superman, Red.

If I have 2 copies of Superman Red in the front row, each with a cosmic counter they don't give each other +8 attack each ... each one only gets the +4 attack that he gives himself.

HOWEVER, in the case of Superman Robots:

Boost 1: When Superman Robots comes into play, characters named Superman Robots get +1 ATK and +1 DEF this turn for each character named Superman Robots you control.

Their ability specifically applies to all copies of Superman Robots in play.

So I hope that helps. Some cards [i.e. Daily Bugle] will NAME a character, and every character with that NAME will count towards this card. However with cards like Spider Tracer or Hank Henshaw you CHOSE a character, which remembers the exact instance of the character you choose, and follows it. Once that instance of the character leaves play, the effect is ignored.

However ... Hank does NOT refer to a card name at all [except his own]. He CHOOSES a character, and at no time does it say that he 'names' his character. He chooses a specific instance of the character [i.e. you point at the exact piece of cardboard you are chosing, and remember where it goes]. Even if your opponent had 4 copies of Superman, Red in play, you could only choose ONE of those cases of Superman, Red.

The confusion is coming up in the difference between the words "NAME" and "CHOOSE." I think WalterKovacs explained it pretty well, so hopefully it's understood now. But basically:

NAME: When you NAME a character, you can say any character NAME regardless of its version or whether it is in play (unless it specifies something about being in play on the card).

CHOOSE: When you CHOOSE a character, you must CHOOSE from a limited set of options; in the case of Hank Henshaw, you CHOOSE from the characters your opponent controls. If I play Hank and choose your Sabretooth, Feral Rage, I am CHOOSING that specific copy of Feral Rage, and if you were to play another Sabretooth (either Feral Rage or Victor Creed), the copy of Feral Rage that I CHOSE would go to the KO pile. Hank's ability will not apply to the new character named Sabretooth that replaced the CHOSEN character.

Folks,

Hank Henshaw's power requires you to select a character object, not name a character.

He cannot be stunned by that character, either solo or as part of a team attack.

Any other character, including a different copy of the same one, can stun Hank Henshaw.