Did hell freeze over or something? I think I agree w/ erick. I'm all for nonsense posts but they should be kept in their place. If that's what you want to read then go there, but the site should be for discussion actually related to the game. Otherwise we run the risk of turning into DeckTech, a place for people who play games (or more likely played games) to talk about anything but games. There's nothing wrong w/ talking about hockey or movies or whatever but frankly that's not what we all have in common.

Erik. Doug is like Rian Fike in 50 years.

And you are going to fill the empty spaces with what? You want to take the threads that cause the most traffic off the pages that get them noticed, so you can have what instead?

I'll be happy to do whatever the community wants, but it seems to be entertaining for many members to allow tangents of all sorts on the boards.

Let's say the mods here flipped a 180 and started keeping any hint of non-Vs talk out of General Discussion. Would there be enough "pure" content to fill the workday of the masses? The first page of the General Discussion threads is always at least 70% free of hockey and movies. By the time a thread gets to the second page it has stopped receiving responses. What great improvement would be made if we stopped playing around the way we do in the other 30% of General Discussion? I know most of us run out of fresh stuff to read real fast anyway.

Why has this website become the unstoppable beast it is? I say it's not because of the "pure tech" talk. That would have dried up a long time ago because of competitive secrecy. This place is fun to visit, for a wide variety of reasons. That's why it is so damn alive.

By then, I might be ready to have my midlife crisis. Might not.

me obviously. look, unlike stu, i dont pretend to give a poof about what everyone thinks about me or my useless threads. and yes, they are useless. if i didnt start them i wouldnt read them either. i mean, i barely read the ones stu creates. and those are terrible. but erick reads them all, which makes no sense to me. hehe.

do i like making jokes, especially at someone else's expense? sure. isnt that what these forums are really for? does anyone really have serious discussions about the game that dont turn into flame wars? man, it is what it is. and what it is is a silly card game that a lot of emotionally stunted grown men and children like to play. myself included.

so lets not be too hard on each other. well, no, go ahead and be as hard as you like. that goes for the mods as well. its not even a challenge anymore. it used to be fun to skate the line but not it appears that there is no line. jump back in guys, put us in our place. the monkeys are taking over the zoo.

and no, i dont want it turn out like decktech. i mean, what does that site contribute to the Vs. community other then a terrible pro team and bad dave spears jokes?

i mean, c'mon.


TBZ

p.s. eventually TJ will break out and i will have to retract all my disparaging statements. someday.

Meh, mods have always been the bane of my existence, especially the ones who suck and edit EVERYTHING (like on my old yugioh forum...)

I like the mods the way they are. Most of em are pretty cool. We don't need more mods, we just need a noob filter to stop retards from posting replies to otherwise intelligent and interesting topics.

I'm all for threads about VS that deviate into nonsense but when the same people are keeping multiple threads that never had anything to do w/ VS on the front page all day long it seems like they are just using the board as a way to entertain themselves. I enjoy a good flame war as much as anyone but some of those threads last week were just plain silly. At the very least let's keep all the complete nonsense in 1 thread, the last thing we need is actual decent content getting pushed off the main page by people who like to hear themselves talk (or see themselves post in this case I guess). I think there's a lot to be talked about that does have to do w/ VS but for whatever reason there's not much of that going on here of late it seems (atleast in comparison to the past).

Speaking of which, did you see that Georgetown/Duke game?

Stu, what you're arguing is that all spam should be allowed because the people who come here looking for relevant discussion will always be able to find some if they look hard hard enough.

Theoretically, that's not inaccurate. I could make 100 identical threads called "Ten Thousand Pictures of My Dog Spot" in the General Discussion forum, and people looking for relevant VS discussion would still be able to find it; they'd just have to go back four pages to do it.

But is it really right ask that much of them? VSRealms is supposed to be, first and foremost, a website for people to come and talk about VS. So when a person comes to VSRealms looking for VS discussion and goes to the board specifically designated for that purpose, only to find it filled with off-topic threads, what are they going to do? They're going to go find a better website that doesn't force them to sift through nonsense.

As it stands now, VS is very accommodating to people who want to have discussions not directly related to VS. There are boards dedicated to the souce material and the website itself, even one for threads that are off-topic just for the sake of being off-topic. These alternate boards make it easier for everyone to find what they're looking for, which is why they exist. I can't think of any reason not to use them except for laziness on the part of those who want to have off-topic discussions, but since VSRealms is a VS website, those who don't want to talk about VS should have to accommodate to those who do.

Tangents are fine. Just as long as it's somewhat in VS context. Aren't you the one who berated me last month because ReconVS started a thread about the top decks in the meta and I had chided him about his newest VS team name. You made it sound like I went in there and kicked him in the balls without realizing there had been an interesting backstory regarding 3BG/BRADS/TAWC etc.

Yet it's okay to start threads on gay marriage, buffalo or whatever pops in your mind while your students are painting their latest project?

There is no empty space... if some of you stopped bumping down VS-related threads with your junk, you would see how much VS-related posts there are. There are a bunch of new posters who see their legitimate questions/issues/comments get pushed into 2nd Page Land because someone likes to quote and re-quote himself every 10 seconds.

I actually just found this thread today because there was so much spam ahead of it (I prefer to use the New Posts link rather than just going to one particular section).

It just doesn't seem really friendly to new members when the older ones have all their inside jokes/rivalries/hijacks taking up 70% of the space on this forum.

This is simply not accurate. The emotional attatchment to the hot topics is swelling their importance in your mind.

I understand everything you guys are saying, and I love hyperbole more than anyone... but you are exaggerating the size and significance of the stuff that rubs you the wrong way. Seriously, you are. If you can honestly say that 70% of the space in General Discussion is taken up by the nonsense, whether now or at any time in history, then I will hang up my keyboard forever.

Again, I understand the opposing viewpoint and indeed I have argued it myself on occasion. I still think we can co-exist just fine the way we are.

Biz, come on. No one is asking that of them. Your hypotetical is nothing like reality. It sounds like something I would have said. It's too far-out to be valid.

You're dodging the issue, Stu.

The point is that every time you make an off-topic thread in the General Discussion area of the website, you make it that much more difficult for people who come here to find relevant VS discussion.

Why should that be allowed to continue? This website, and this board specifically, is for them. Even if you only inconvenience them a little, why should you be allowed to inconvenience them at all?

That is why there is a board on the site for people who want off-topic discussion. That is why Rule #5 exists. That is why there's no excuse for this.

You're the one who's being unreasonable here, Stu. You're the one who refuses to compromise. You're the one who thinks he's above the rules. Not us.

I disagree, and at the current time the management of the website does too.

Go look in General Discussion. Honestly tell me if you think it is difficult to find the "relevant" discussion in the midst of the (very few) completely off topic threads. Honestly tell me if you think Billy and I are so completely commanding the space that anyone is actually hindered from finding whatever it is they are interested in. You are joking, right? An intelligent person can sort through very easily.

I think our playful stuff is actually about the Vs. Sytem community and the kooks that play the game. We are performing "personalities" that enhance the Pro Circuit environment by making it more fun, in my humble opinion, so I honestly think our drama is a valuable part of the game as a whole. There is much, much more positive feedback for the wacky stuff than there is negative. You and erick and Dalton seem to be the only ones complaining, in fact. Why is it that our crazy threads get so many hits, if they are so worthless and distracting? Once someone sees that the thread is getting out of hand, who is forcing them to come back to it? I am open to all feedback, but you guys are way biased. And your opinion in no way reflects the consensus of the community. Or the administration, for that matter.

Yeah, it was a great game in some respects. GTown played really really well, Duke did not. I really don't believe there's anything such as a "good loss" but I'm sure Duke learned a lot from the game, especially Paulus who made a lot of freshman mistakes. It also showed how much Duke misses Demarcus Nelson, they need a more athletic swing player on defense. Even w/ as bad as Duke played they managed to get real close at the end, I think if there's a rematch come March at a neutral (or semi-neutral) site that Duke would stand a very good chance. That being said, if UConn is #1 come tomorrow's polls it's a crock. Duke has played the hardest schedule in the country and they have the best (or tied for the best) record in the country. Not that it matters, they'll get their #1 seed regardless. Here's hoping for a Duke-UConn rematch national championship.

And me being a die-hard Tar Heels fan, am hoping that Uconn wins it all :)

I thought Florida was still undefeated? Or did they lose to Tennessee?

Georgetown played fantastically that game. I just wish UNC could do that more, I mean, it was shown that we can play well when we beat Kentucky, but it's been pretty much downhill since then with loses to teams like Miami and Virginia that we could've beat by at least 10 points with the talent we have. Except we, being a team of mostly freshmen and juniors who make stupid plays constantly (Terry being the most notable one) are going to lose a bunch of games this year we should have won.

Oh well, at least in 2 years we'll be near the top again.

It could be less difficult.

They could be less hindered.

It could be easier.

Remember, Stu, this website, and this board in particular, is for the people who want to discuss VS. The question isn't if it's too difficult. The question is if it should be difficult at all.

Arrogance. You're not better than the rest of us, and you shouldn't be exempt from the rules of the site. If your posts are as valuable as you claim, why is there a rule against them?

Anti-Stu Thread #1 and Anti-Stu Thread #2. But hey, those were just joke threads, right? I'm sure there's no one who really thinks that way. Except for maybe these guys, who actually took the time to post their sorrows in the right section of the website. Looks like you're making them really happy there, Stu.

But tell me, Stu, if your threads are so universally beloved, why don't you just post them in the right place and make everyone happy? What are you afraid of?

I could make a thread in General Discussion that denounces a political party as stupid and evil, but it's okay because as long as I get lots of hits, the thread isn't worthless and distracting right?

Biased toward what, exactly? What do we have to gain by getting your off-topic threads out of General Discussion that the average poster doesn't?