I just felt the need to quote this guy, cause his name is so cool.

Actually, who were all the original characters? Did Namor start off good or bad, and when did he go bad, when did he go good, which is he now?

The Invaders are the first that I can remember.

Captain America
The Human Torch (The Robot, not Johny Storm)
Namor

1941 Has always been the year that I've heard. I'm not sure that this was the very first incarnation.

Namor and the Human Torch (the android) - were the first two released by Timely Comics in the title "Marvel Comics". They are "Marvel's" first two characters.

And Namor has always been good...

It's his means though that are a questionable ;)

Namor has never been "evil",just a selfish ego-maniacal monarch that wanted Invisible girl by any means nessesary.

My assesment that Namor is "Marvels first mutant" was actually a Marvel made slogan from his late 80s-early 90s series.Apoc IS older,but if the Austen crap holds out Angel has the dormant genes of a group of mutants that all had wings and could heal people and Nightcrawler's father is an ageless mutant that looks like a demon and the two groups battled over 10,000 years ago.Their battle was "mistakingly" chronicled as angels and demons fighting,Nightcrawler's father being Lucifer:ermm:

You are correct, He was/is referred to as "Marvels first mutant" because his comic book was first.

However inside the comic universe, he is not the "oldest/first" mutant.



I think this is where all the confusion is starting.

Franklin is a psionic, wouldn't that be mental? I thought he had telekinetic control over all matter?

Franklin should be energy. His psionic powers are merely an offshoot of his larger power to rewrite reality. He did recreate all of Marvel's heroes after the Onslaught debacle.

The Azazel origin is crap.

You're telling me that Mystique and a Demon are where Nightcrawler came from?

I believe that Claremont originally intended for Mystique and Destiny to be the parents. (Mystique is a shapeshifter, you know.)

You are correct on both counts.Specific religion is something that should be left out of comics IMO.The Azazel story was Austen's way of spitting on the old testament.

Claremont's intent was to make it that Mystique could not only change shape,but chromazomes and actually be a man.It's no secret she and Destiny were lovers,Mystique just gave Destiny the best of both worlds.I'm kinda glad they abandoned that idea as well.

You're the one who is misguided if you believe Earth X is continuity. ;)

And I don't believe I'm a purist. Just knowledgable about continuity.



So this has been resolved, right? Namor is not a mutant.

You're just jealous because I know what's really going on....
:noid: :noid: :noid:

Gentlemen,

This is exactly the reason I stopped reading x-men about 10 years ago.
Where is a good editor when you need one.

Namor is Marvel's first mutant. Don't blame me, blame them.

The First Mutant Created - Namor
The Oldest living mutant in the MU - Appoccalypse

Other Posibilities - Azreal and the other characters introduced in the Draco story arc.

Actually I think Marvel has "defined" a mutant as a human that has a mutated x-gene, thus becoming homo-superior. Namor does not have this mutated gene, therefore he is not a mutant. His card correctly documents this.