Well, I don't know every WoW TCG player, but I do know quite a few (maybe 50ish?).

An informal poll of those guys and girls says that the reason they don't go online for "community" is because of a "Why bother?" attitude. They have each other, they like playing with each other and entering tournaments with each other, so there's no reason to talk about the card game online.

My hypothesis would be that you'd find VS to be the anomoly. Most card games aren't discussed online by their players, because those players have people to play with.

Interesting hypothesis.

I would think that even if you have a strong local group, there would still be that global community to talk about things that maybe the local group misses or even for rivalries (West Coast vs. East Coast, Team vs. Team).

Or is the meta so narrow that there aren't that many things to discuss? The meta coverage seemed to indicate there were a good number of different decks, but I'm not familiar enough with the game to know if many of those deck types are viable or overlaps.

Its the lack of a secondary commodity to the game, we can go on and on about Batman vs. Captain America, and why the guy I love gets the shaft, but folks just don't have much to say about Hoydridt the Goat Herder or the Shaft of Almighty Guilt, they just don't have the history or emotional ties that bind them as a community, while we all hold images in our head about what our idols should be like. I mean in a game like that once you cover the rules questions and deck design choices whats left?

While we want X-men playable, they don't care if Baron the Screamer ever makes it into a playable deck because well, who the hell is he?

This is getting adjusted, sig'd and rep'd.

Word.

Bullocks. Vs is a strategic and very skill-based game, making it very fun in a high strung tournament setting. Casually, I think it's terrible because it takes far too long just to finish one game.

WoW is a very fun game that has some flaws at a competitive level but still manages to provide some skill, while maintaining a fun factor at a casual level and has only improved as new sets have been released to expand upon the game's starting out as somewhat lackluster.

Bigspooky, I actually saw a different side of things at the Worlds tournament. I think I only met two players whom I found to be dicking it up, both were from out of country. The rest of the players were all very classy, including my German, British, French opponents, etc.

Showtime!- I'd argue this point, but...it's true. I spent more time playing wow online than the wow tcg in preparation for worlds.

Thanks Mike, it's always good to get perspective from someone who is familiar with both games.

Sounds like you're on the wrong forum, mate.

Also, it's spelled "bollocks". As in, those matching danglies betwixt your legs.

Why? dawnyoshi plays VS too. It's good to hear other opinions.
I think he was referring to Harvey Bullock... as in WoW needs more equipment destruction and recursion.

That's not clear yet?

What we need is:

magicrealms
vsrealms
wowrealms
magicandvsrealms
wowandvsrealms
magicandwowrealms
all-of-the-above-realms

That way all the "Spread the VS Love" folks can be isolated as they want. :-)

There's a post on the UDE WoW site about how great the event was so you may have been misinterpreting some people's feelings on that subject. And the "fun factor" is all subjective. At a 10k, I had a PC champ tell me the best place to finish was 9th because you still got the 10 PC points but didn't have to play any extra rounds. So what you consider fun, not everyone else does and vice versa. What I don't get is why the VS community always has to attack other games that are faring better than it is.

My avatar is of Batman. I'm on the vs forums. You figure it out.

BTW, I stopped reading here in general unless someone points a thread out to me like this one. Reason why? Because I can't stand people like you who drive everyone not sharing your opinion away. Have fun building a community like that.

Aside from that, I didn't say in my post that I hated Vs. I hate what vs is now because the competition and drive is gone, and that is what made the game fun for me in the first place. I needed people to play against that proved to me that I sucked at Vs, and when they all quit, my interest was killed.

Feel free to twist that statement around to your liking. Because we both know that's what you are going to do anyway. You're quite good at it from what I noticed.

In the interest of fairness, I posted a thread on WoWRealms asking about the lack of forum activity.

In relation to the "fun" factor, BLyons posted a thread on UDE's forums about Worlds:

http://entertainment.upperdeck.com/w...ad/947334.aspx

With Wow TCG, I think there are bashers because of how blatantly UDE has pushed WoW down the throats of consumers while not giving equal support to VS. And just before WoW's release, UDE really drove VS into the ground. So there is a little bit of red headed step child feeling.

Also, I think a lot of people believe WoW's successes have more to do with things outside the game than the actual card game itself.

Right, which means what I said in the first bit you quoted was true.

You never cared about VS. You cared about "A Game I Can Play Competitively". If UDE was supporting a My Little Pony game with 5-minute wins and a 6-page rulebook, but gave out millions of dollars in prizes for playing it, you'd meander over to it because it's "where the pros are".

VS is a superior game. It's complex, it's fun, it has enough depth to apply to casuals (weird mechanics) and to pros (power archetypes).

WoW is a watered-down MtG/VS test tube baby designed to milk a franchise. It's a horrifically boring game that throws its thematics out the window (the MMO is designed to be soloed almost the entire way through, and NPCs almost *never* participate in combat. Which is, yaknow, the diametric opposite of how the CCG works) to make the game more palatable to the important 12-year-old demographic.

I stand by my comment. VS is a good game with no support. WoW is an awful game with cash prizes. The casuals and "for-fun" players flock to one, the cash #####s flock to the other.

Mike, I asked this in another thread... why did your name drop from the standings with two rounds left?