defending some one you trust from claims you feel are unnecessary is fine, but all im saying is, is insulting cosmic going to really help the situation, or make him whine more?

I've traded with both of them, and given them both positive refs.
(meaning LoreN and Cosmic)

Guys, try to work this out if you can: Let's at least TRY to get some resolution.

Cosmic, I think what Loren is asking is fair. You need to come up with some details of the trade. If you are due something, then you should know what it is you are due. Let him know, and maybe you two can work something out. But if you can't at least tell him what he owes you, can you really expect him to pony up some cards? Put yourself in his place for just a second.

Loren, bro, I understand that nobody likes to be called a ripper. If you deal with this situation (provided that Cosmic is willing to work with you) then I don't see a way anyone could do anything but respect you and your willingness to at least try to come to some resolution. (Again, provided that Cosmic is willing to provide some proof to you).


I hate to see anyone ridiculed or mocked, except Darth Maul...anytime someone has had as much trouble as he has created, its always funny to see them get theirs. But I digress...

Well in anycase, i'll myself give it a rest cause I feel in many ways i've caused some tension, I really do.........oh wait.......no nevermind, just gas.........

He's a ripper! He doesn't want me to prove the info I have. I'm not going to give his info out so everyone knows.

If he can clear just 1 PM, he would "remember" the deal. But, he won't do that in fear of me proving to everyone he's a RIPPER!

Cosmic I dont know how to handle you tbh. Like I just dont understand what it is that you want, I've attempted to help you numerous times but you dont want to be helped, in fact you remind me very much so of my little brother. He will always start crap and be as loud as possible to get some attention, he's 14 and has a mental condition, Im not sure what youre excuse is. Obviously you havent uncovered a pm from me because you would just post it here but edit out my adress, so where does this leave us? you want to pm me a bs list of cards that you went through my old list to confirm that I have in a attempt to get somthing from me, if it works out you get some free stuff if not than maybe you can go try to find one of the few remaining people who want to deal with you and you can bother them instead. I dont really trade anymore because if I ever play vs again it will be at the world championship with a deck I borrowed from someone in exchange for a portion of my winings, I will at some point attempt to sell my entire collection as a whole and when that time comes I will ship 1st, not that a bad ref from you ammounts to much but I dont mind shiping 1st anyway. So really even if you wanna send out a pm to every memember of vsrealms saying LOREN IS A RIPPER ZOMG! it wont matter at all, I could choose to ingnore you and it will have no effect on me at all, and yet here I am attempting to help you. anyhow im geting to the point where I dont care if you go away happy as long as you go away. I will clear 1pm for you, if you can provide me with a pm from me that is not a forgery (seems unlikley sinse you didnt have one before but do now) than I should be able to help you, if not I have the internet and a WoW account so my free time can be better spent.

Umm. I'm not going to PM you a list of cards that I want, loren.

I was going to PM you the proof that say "Yes, we made a deal."

But, like I said, you won't clear your PM's.

I'll send you a PM that has the proof.

Omg you arent gonna pm me the stuff you think I ower you... so wtf can I do for you? Youre pm is not a copy of a pm from me like I was lead to think, and more insulting still you listed 3 foil common/uncommons. I no longer own foil common/uncommons cptcrunch bought them all so no matter what I cannot help you. Tell ya what, should I attend gencon indy and at that time have not sold all my vs stuff you can have a savage beatdown.

I knew it. Denial. People, this is what I sent him:

And once again:

Loren = Ripper

BUT!

People won't believe me. Why? Because they're ignorant. Proof is right there in their face and they still won't believe it.

Unbelievable.

Oh, and loren, you must be going blind because I said "and foils/EAs like....".

Oh, I'm sorry, you're ignorant. Let me explain. That means you owe me A LOT MORE THAN THAT.

PowerisParallax left me neg. feedback today.

After what, a year?