with each additional word i got more angry

they don't even know what game they're making anymore

they just keep dumbing down and dumbing it down and stripping it of flavor, and depht, and *^$#**Y#* strategy

i have never been angrier about a dumb change to this game

ONE MORE REASON when i don't need any more reasons

It's the "properly implemented" that I don't believe the current design team is capable of. If they properly implemented figures based on the rules, we wouldn't need a rules overhaul four years after the last one.

Same here. I will test it once, I will hate it, and I will continue to play by the old rules. Incap, I still love you, no matter what Wizkids says.

Incapacitate has been neutered hard

Masters of evil ta has been neutered hard

Indomitable has been neutered hard

Leadership has been neutered hard

Even if we were willing to go along with this, what motivation do we have to buy any new figures before the point cost difference has been factored in.

So we just either take a bath or skip the next what three four sets?

......Damn, did they have to do this right before Wonder Woman finally gets her own set.

They could have either waited or pushed her back so the figures would be appropriately costed.

I believe my attitude at this moment could be best described as sick, disappointed and very, very, angry.

I liked several changes so far, including but not limited to:

Special powers/traits
Oreo dials
Pink powes
PAC: Outwit, Perplex, Prob, regeneration, battle fury, quake and others.
getting rid of ultra light/heavy objects
Improved Movement/Targeting
shorter but more effective dials and their costs
Elevation levels
Black cards format
Shifting focus
Equip objects
switch clix

I'm sure there are others but this was off the top of my head.

I'll say this, I'm always willing to give changes a chance, it's just hard to understand the impact based on seeing one of the changes without understanding the rest.

i've said it before, and I'll say it now. If WK wanted a new game, they should have just canned HeroClix and made a new game. Or, just made a new game with what it appears they want. But they wanted the established player base to keep up, so they hijacked it.

I was all for 2017 rules. i thought we had a good balance, it felt easier. I was getting so many new players. Before march 2020, i was averaging up to 10 players on any given week. We had a blast all the time.

Sure everyone wishes any random figure had Willpower. But i have NEVER had anyone wish for a change like this. And Colossals? Get ready for them to just run rampant.

I'll give you these two, but until we see the other changes, I'm not sure Incap and Leadership will be neutered or bolstered.

Effectively: Incap could work the exact same way: give them a 2nd token or 1 penetrating damage if they already have 2. Or it could be changed to something like when this character hits, the target gains immobile. who knows.

Leadership could also remain the same giving +1 action total and removing tokens, which is still useful. However what if they tweek leadership to work in some different fashion?

We just have to wait and see before we can decide if it's good or bad.

Have some more rep

This! Excellent explained!

I am tired of constantly waiting for the other shoe to drop from this company

They don't want me to play this game anymore and it's very tiring fighting them for reasons to stay

Wizkids thinks very lowly of the mythical new player they keep trying to throw away "valued" customers for

Am I the only one not concerned by rule changes? My concern is Wizkids implements the changes with no real play testing, leaving that exciting task to the players. But even when the players report problems, Wizkids ignores the problems until they see them being exploited at the big tournaments.

There was a LOT of playtesting with the new rules.

In 20 years of playing this ####ing game Ive never not been able to recruit a player or lost one because they had to make the occasional decision to take a pushing damage.

You wanna make it easier for noobs? Allow them to outwit a stealth adjacent character and address rules that trip them up.

I did lose players over visible dials...not gain them. That was supposed to help with the pushing/I dont know what my figure can do issue. I was ok with that, you should know what your figure can do but why does your opponent have to? That's where they started to lose me. It infuriates me and a it bubbles up inside every time somebody wants to look at the back of my card now because the figure just never survives it.

Its a top dial game now, and you cant even push to a something else you may need like regen, outwit etc. YOUR OPPONENT completely dictates what you can play on that figure now. RIDICULOUS

If I want to play a game that never changed Id play stupid Star Wars minis and we all see how that game ended up. Always attacking, top stats or death...thats it.

There needs to be a safety valve that allows you to take damage on your own figure if you want to.