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If he's town, he's not sending in night actions and he's not voting. He's just there.
If he's mafia, he's targeting townies for roleblocks, misdirects, kills, etc.
There is no advantage to keeping him around and a possible advantage to lynching him. So when it comes down to lynch Rico or lynch nobody, we should lynch Rico.
Alright, just checking. I didn't see anyone give info or anything, so I wanted to make sure.
Vote: Ricosan
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Let me say this. It's not that I have a problem with people TAKing or making a bet or anything so long as they lie about it sometimes. What I have an issue with is things like (using you as an example for simplicity JoH) "I'm JoH and I never ever lie in a game, so everyone has to believe me," and them going on and actually never ever lying. To me that seems to be against the spirit of the game, because it's trying to remove the balance of not knowing when someone is lying or not. If Rokk were to TAK and lie about it (at least once in a while, even if it was rare), I would have no problem with it, because there is still the possibility that he could be lying. I guess there's always the possibility if he's never done it, but it would just make me less uneasy if it wasn't an absolute silver bullet defense. That is what I don't like.
This may be your relative inexperience here but as noted, just because I'm TAK-ing one thing it doesn't mean there aren't plenty of other things to keep an eye out for with my statements. Think of it as a "fake play" in many situations.
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Let's be fair Rokk, that 25% thing was based on one game. And don't you have more game wins than anyone else in Mafia history (or you did at one point)?
Okay, we'll be fair - I'm not basing that off of just one game. In point of fact there was even one game of Carlos' - you know one of the games with a lot of people - where over 50% of people targeted me N2. It's actually very frequently that I'm grabbing 25% or more of people, as those who've modded have even vouched.
I do, however, believe I still have the most wins - many of them as Mafia - which, actually just goes to show I take a tougher route and to degrade my gameplay doesn't match with the results.
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Also, just like people target you with bad stuff, people target you with good stuff too. I've doctored and RTed you often as town. Sure I've killed you when against you, but even in this game, someone doubled you on N1 without even knowing who you were. It isn't all bad.
No, it's not all bad - though there is a serious derth of my being Doctored and there always has been - but that's not necessarily a good thing either. A wider dispersement of actions would be nice. If anything, think of the info goldmine for a Mafia RT'er (they do exist) in the situations you cite.
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I can see where someone newish or inexperienced would go to this. But that type of pressure is just as tacky as TAK clausing itself.
It's very frequent. Why do you think I end up having to talk so much on the first few Days? Because people know they can put on early roleclaim pressure on me.
"Nobody important? That's amazing. You know, in 900 years of traveling time and space I've never met someone who wasn't important."
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change vote: rico tho i think you have enough already.
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change vote: rico tho i think you have enough already.
I'm pretty sure we reached majority a few minutes before the phase officially ended. Whether we did or not, I think we're past the deadline and just waiting for K-Ness to reappear and make if official.
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In other words, it's all Vlad's fault.
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Though I'm pretty sure if we ever meet rl, you get a free junk shot on me.
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Vlad is neither good nor evil. He is simply Legal.
Heck, based on the fact I'm Magneto, DF should've yanked his vote if he's really Brotherhood as he'd know the Brotherhood aren't Mafia. (My vote has remained on him in part because of this).
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DF is saying he's a member of the Brotherhood.
Apologies for disappearing for a while, dog emergencies and shopping stole a bunch of my time today.
Just want to say one thing: at no point did I claim a member of the Brotherhood. I may be. I may not. You inferred that.
Just sayin'
"Why would the possibility of me being wrong ever stop me from doing something?"
Now you're just making things up. Brotherhood was a hint at MY ID.
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Apologies for disappearing for a while, dog emergencies and shopping stole a bunch of my time today.
Just want to say one thing: at no point did I claim a member of the Brotherhood. I may be. I may not. You inferred that.
Just sayin'
Oh, let's not try to make it look like I'm twisting things. If "inferred" it's because that's what you wanted people to infer when I called out the oddness that you seemed to know that psnmario was Xavier and I'm Magneto (which is how your original Brotherhood - not quoted here - read).
"Nobody important? That's amazing. You know, in 900 years of traveling time and space I've never met someone who wasn't important."
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Oh, let's not try to make it look like I'm twisting things. If "inferred" it's because that's what you wanted people to infer when I called out the oddness that you seemed to know that psnmario was Xavier and I'm Magneto (which is how your original Brotherhood - not quoted here - read).
No, that's not how it read. Here was DF's original quote:
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Heh, true. But no, I'm more about brotherhood than survival of the fittest.
And that was in response to you questioning if DF might be part of the Horsemen.
Nothing there indicated that he thought you were Magneto instead of Xavier. You took it that way and outed yourself as Magneto a little later. But that was because of what you read into DF's post, not what should have been read out of it.
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In other words, it's all Vlad's fault.
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Though I'm pretty sure if we ever meet rl, you get a free junk shot on me.
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Vlad is neither good nor evil. He is simply Legal.
And while we're at it, why are you so absolutely certain that the Horsemen are the mafia (or a mafia, as there could be multiples in a game of this size.) You really keep trying to hammer home the idea that we should be after the Horsemen, despite not evidence that they are the mafia rather that the Brotherhood, Marauders, Reavers, etc. Why is that, Rokk?
Could it be because you're part of a mafia that ISN'T the horsemen and are trying to throw off suspicion?
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In other words, it's all Vlad's fault.
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Though I'm pretty sure if we ever meet rl, you get a free junk shot on me.
Quote : Originally Posted by Thrumble Funk
Vlad is neither good nor evil. He is simply Legal.
Nothing there indicated that he thought you were Magneto instead of Xavier. You took it that way and outed yourself as Magneto a little later. But that was because of what you read into DF's post, not what should have been read out of it.
I disagree. It came across that he was trying to imply that the Brotherhood - such as Magneto - were as likely to be Mafia and, thus, was a reverse-feint implication. My point on that was why would he say that instead of, say, the X-Men unless he knew Xavier was psn and I'm Magneto.
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And while we're at it, why are you so absolutely certain that the Horsemen are the mafia (or a mafia, as there could be multiples in a game of this size.) You really keep trying to hammer home the idea that we should be after the Horsemen, despite not evidence that they are the mafia rather that the Brotherhood, Marauders, Reavers, etc. Why is that, Rokk?
Could it be because you're part of a mafia that ISN'T the horsemen and are trying to throw off suspicion?
Too many pages for you to keep up with, Vlad? Because if you'll go through, you'll see I'm the one who keeps saying the Reavers/Purifiers/etc. make a very likely Mafia and I even suggested it could even be the Hellions. (It wouldn't likely be the Marauders as they aren't really represented in the set - you have Sabes from the original team and then Mystique and the lady Sentinel from the later one).
So how is that "hammering home" about the Horsemen and being "absolutely certain" when I've taken the time to consider other ideas and voiced them?
Am I hitting a little too close to a teammate every time I argue with DF? That why you're feeling protective?
"Nobody important? That's amazing. You know, in 900 years of traveling time and space I've never met someone who wasn't important."
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I might also point out that I'm the one who stepped forward with information today. Other than tyro's tracking that's been about it for people willing to try and share Night results or leads.
"Nobody important? That's amazing. You know, in 900 years of traveling time and space I've never met someone who wasn't important."
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I disagree. It came across that he was trying to imply that the Brotherhood - such as Magneto - were as likely to be Mafia and, thus, was a reverse-feint implication. My point on that was why would he say that instead of, say, the X-Men unless he knew Xavier was psn and I'm Magneto.
I honestly have no idea how you came to that conclusion from what he actually posted. His post was quite clearly about himself, and not you.
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Too many pages for you to keep up with, Vlad? Because if you'll go through, you'll see I'm the one who keeps saying the Reavers/Purifiers/etc. make a very likely Mafia and I even suggested it could even be the Hellions. (It wouldn't likely be the Marauders as they aren't really represented in the set - you have Sabes from the original team and then Mystique and the lady Sentinel from the later one).
So how is that "hammering home" about the Horsemen and being "absolutely certain" when I've taken the time to consider other ideas and voiced them?
If I get bored, I made got through and reread all your posts, but I'm fairly certain you've been suggesting the Horsemen more than anything else. Like your weird comment that the write-up indicated a horseman killed cyclops, which I really didn't see. If the mafia is made up of horsemen, that's great, but if not, I don't want us to waste time on it due to target fixation on the wrong idea.
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Am I hitting a little too close to a teammate every time I argue with DF? That why you're feeling protective?
Yes, clearly I'm feeling protective of him, and that's why I was on the vote against him earlier...
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In other words, it's all Vlad's fault.
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Though I'm pretty sure if we ever meet rl, you get a free junk shot on me.
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Vlad is neither good nor evil. He is simply Legal.