Spoken like someone who simply prefers one over the other. AoA was written simply to give alternate versions of characters. Yes, more stories were written about them, but depth has very little to do with a dial. By the way, Kingdom Come wasn't just one mini. It spawned a sequel that had a lot of one shots that tied in. Not as big as AoA, but still they had a lot of characters, enough to fill a gravity feed. And it would sell, just like AoA. The depth you speak o, is irrelevant, and not as substantual as you seem to believe.....

Anyways, your argument simply omes down to I like one better than the other......

If an X-Men set will sell well regardless, then how is WK "leaving money on the table" by not running a full set of AoA? Sounds like it's going to sell well anyway. Maybe AoA chases are just the thing to boost that X-Men set to the "next level" of sales.

Is there a higher level than "completely sold out in record time"? Because I'm pretty sure that's the level every single X-focused set has achieved w/o AoA Chases.

My personal tastes have nothing to do with it. I'm looking at it from a business perspective:

One would be a set that would consist of a lot of characters most people wouldn't recognize. Also, at this current time it would have a theme that a lot of regular clix players have gotten tired of (JL). I'll agree with you that the freedom to create dials of characters that haven't been developed would result in some interesting dials, but again we're talking marketability here. Talking about neat dials centered around characters from one panel of a story doesn't bring in new players. That's why putting them as chases in a set that's already similar to a certain upcoming popular movie makes the most sense.

One would be another X-men set. Again, those seem to sell out every time. And while it would have alternative versions of the characters, they're still recognizable. All of them. And there's enough NAMEBRANDS there to stock a full set. Plus anything X-men related is never in abundance in Heroclix (relatively speaking to other themes).



But I did enjoy the idea you believe I'm biased, because I am. But it's towards Kingdom Come. Anyone that's not into comics that asks me what they should read first I always tell them Kingdom Come to get them hooked. I've loaned out so many copies I've gone through four tpbs of it, so now I just own a hardback copy and loan out a softcover (which reminds me, I should try and get that back). I've thumbed through the newer tpbs of the Kingdom Come stuff, but outside of Alex Ross's work it just doesn't interest me as much as the original. Probably because it's an afterthought created to just bring in revenue off of something popular. I, personally don't go for that.

On the other side of that I just own the tpbs of the main AoA storyline, and truth be told I don't even know where those are right now. It had its moments, but I don't stroke it like others do.

Again, I'm looking at it from a business perspective, not as a fanboy.

1 sold out X-men set= good.

1 X-men set sold out + 1-2 GF sets (or one full set) selling out= better (exponent is that its a popular theme that'll have dials and sculpts different enough to not seem like a flooding of a theme. See Avengers and Justice League for examples of flooding).


But yeah, thanks for proving one of my original points that with them scaling back the dials on these characters that they'll need a push for sales

business-wise, they could easily have sold-out a separate ctd of aoa stuff, both due to the breadth of material and popularity, particularly if they released it coincident with xmen: apocalypse to gain a free marketing push.

there is nothing, however, preventing them from doing a later ctd of aoa stuff, as aside from these 6 chases there will be plenty of other material to produce. especially after the appetites have been whetted with these chases.

Here's to hoping for the fans of AoA that they do.

Eh, I'm not really a fan of either really. I appreciate their stories but not like I run out and get everything associated with either. And I'm looking at it from a business stand point. KC is filled with......keyword here.....LEGACY characters. Meaning, not just super hero #2 in a group shot. That means, while casuals (which casuals aren't playing this game by the way) would recognize because of their connections to the older characters. Not to mention there are A LOT of old guard in the story as well, so the two stories are very comparable.....

Maybe they simply aren't allowed to make an AoA set.

They don't get carte blanche on what characters get made. If they did, we'd have had an Amalgam set by now, since that's been in demand for years. Same with AoA, What If?, Fantastic Four, Elseworlds, Indy v2.0,, Spawn, and so on.

You know sometimes I wonder if the lack of Fantastic Four set isn't just on Marvel and maybe Wizkids being convinced that it'd be a commercial failure.

Put aside the knowledge that they have rich history in the comics, what has happened in the last 10 years to convince a business that the Fantastic Four are a good investment?
-Comic sales dropped low enough that Marvel didn't hesitate to drop em (yes they had an ulterior motive but you don't see the X-men books getting cancelled)
-Their movie record includes an unreleased bargain movie to keep the rights, 2 movies that received a collective "meh" and an unmitigated critical and commercial disaster of a reboot
-No current toys or cartoons (again Fox V Marvel bears some of the blame, but not all of it)

Property has to seem pretty toxic to someone looking at it purely in terms of $ and cents

I'm not sure either of those themes could carry a full set. Yeah, they're popular, but more popular than the basic X-Men, Avengers, or DC Trinity? Those are the kind of headliners that typically form the core of a set, not Elseworlds/What If? versions of characters.

Either of those sets would likely be strictly singles buys for me. Maybe I'm on the extreme minority though.

This really makes me think of the Streets of Gotham maps that are above and below street level, with six marked squares where you could move between the maps. Any chance you were able to see the other side of the map? Is it possible that the TMNT set map(s?) might work with a similar mechanic?

That movie was an embarrassment. 5 minutes after watching it, I though "Okay, that wasn't terrible. Felt a bit rushed though."

3 months after watching it: "Good God, how did that make it past the script editors?"

Troof.

I appreciate the relevance of the F4 to comics history, and I even like the modern interpretations of the characters from the movies and the books where I do see them, but I don't have a lot of interest in the F4 as a property.

It just seems they don't have the same appeal these days, and overall lousy movie representations have been at the crux of that. (Math: 2 "mehs" + 2 disasters = overall lousy.)

They belong to the old guard, it seems, in the eyes of the modern comic fan/moviegoer, who prefers the grittier/darker/sarcastic tone of Deadpool, Avengers, and DC's Movie U.

Honestly, I think the most successful option for ANOTHER F4 reboot would to do it with an eye to preserving the "classic camp" of the F4. Not in an ironic way, but the same period charm we saw in X-Men First Class or with the sort of timeless superhero stylings of the Incredibles and Despicable Me, stuff like that. Make it a bit outlandish.

The F4 belong to the 60's, so why not put them there? At the recommendation of those who did, I abstained from watching the new F4 movie, but that thing had stinker written all over it from first blush, IMO. It seems like gritty realism was the worst choice you could make for that property.

I don't but that FF is Wizkids' decision. Not having a major set, sure. Not having any of the main Four at all, in any set for years? That's not a commercial decision anymore. There's room in any set for characters a lot less popular than the Fantastic Four.