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If Sloonei and Roy are mafia together, then there would be no reason for any scum players to switch their votes unless Roy had a significantly better power or looked way better in the town's eyes, both of which are not very likely.
Ergo, Sloonei is almost certainly not scum with Adam or Raven.
Solution: Lynch Raven and/or Adam and give ourselves a very good chance of confirming Sloonei.
This makes no sense. Given how sketchy Roy looked, scum players had every reason to jump on that lynch to look good and no reason to distract. Scum gain nothing by distracting and prevailing in that distraction. Look at the scenario.
Let's say adam's 11th hour recommendation works and Sloonei is lynched instead of Roy and flips town. Now you've got Roy, the escaping lynch candidate and adam, the distractor. It's a no-brainer 2 for 1 for the town if adam is shady and tries that gambit, regardless of who "fell" for it. Adam has very little, if any reward to be lying in that circumstance.
Here's the way I saw it and still see it. Adam has an info discrepancy on Sloonei yesterday largely the same as Silver has on Roy. Targets and results don't add up. Choosing one over the other doesn't lessen the suspicion on the one who isn't lynched, at least for me. No one else is curious about this? Adam, outed as a JKer is a high profile target, especially with protections likely to be on Silver or Kj as well.
I admit, maybe I made a mistake by voting for Sloonei in light of Roy flipping as scum. But that's only confirmed once we know Sloonei's alignment and only if he's town.
But you still didn't address my reasoning. adam claims JKer. No one refutes it. He claims to have JKed me night 1. I claimed failure immediately on D2. Sloonei also claims to have targeted me N1. Yet should have failed since adam succeeded.
Ergo, if you want a better scum read, lynching adam or Sloonei would be smarter.
I'll agree that Quebbs the neutral gets a pass for now.
Sloonei could have been misdirected. I don't consider that incriminating. Besides, we have Power claims from both Sloonei and Adam, so you are the most blank spot on that particular list.
Sloonei could have been misdirected. I don't consider that incriminating. Besides, we have Power claims from both Sloonei and Adam, so you are the most blank spot on that particular list.
Fair enough. I am a doctor.
Targeted JoH N1 (failed)
Silver N2 and N3. Failed N3.
This makes no sense. Given how sketchy Roy looked, scum players had every reason to jump on that lynch to look good and no reason to distract. Scum gain nothing by distracting and prevailing in that distraction. Look at the scenario.
Let's say adam's 11th hour recommendation works and Sloonei is lynched instead of Roy and flips town. Now you've got Roy, the escaping lynch candidate and adam, the distractor. It's a no-brainer 2 for 1 for the town if adam is shady and tries that gambit, regardless of who "fell" for it. Adam has very little, if any reward to be lying in that circumstance.
Here's the way I saw it and still see it. Adam has an info discrepancy on Sloonei yesterday largely the same as Silver has on Roy. Targets and results don't add up. Choosing one over the other doesn't lessen the suspicion on the one who isn't lynched, at least for me. No one else is curious about this? Adam, outed as a JKer is a high profile target, especially with protections likely to be on Silver or Kj as well.
If Sloonei really is scum, then you and Adam would have no reason to switch from Roy to Sloonei if you were scum as well.
So either:
1) Roy and Sloonei are scum together and they both got caught sperately or
2) Roy and Adam and/or Raven are scum together and Adam/Raven tried to or took the opportunity to swing the vote from scum Roy to townie Sloonei or
3) Roy is the only scummer. Sloonei was misdirected, leading to some townies accusing each other.
I'm heavily leaning towards door 2. There's no door where Raven and Sloonei or Adam and Sloonei are scum together.
If you disagree and think that Sloonei and Adam could both be scum, please explain why Adam would do what he did yesterday.
And I didn't object to Roy's lynch. I simply thought there were better options. Yay for plurality where we don't need an outright majority.
vote: Sloonei
As much as Sloonei voted for Roy, selling one's scum teammate down the river is a standard move. And if the logic used on Roy is inconsistency in night actions/results, then we should go after Sloonei as well.
This looks like an obvious attempt to continue discrediting me after we lynched one of your teammates. vote Immortal_Raven
I am new here. I am also a veteran mafia player of 5+ years. I am being accused of making up a fake role claim that can be very very easily discredited and also apparently fits into this community very well, despite my lack of prior knowledge of such things. Yeah if I'm bad I could have discussed my roleclaim with teammates. But then we're still left scratching our heads at why I claimed the most easily falsifiable role in the game.
How common is my role, actually? Would you say it's common enough that it exists in every game? 75%? 30%?
Close enough to a direct question of me to answer: yes. Roles with no night results receive a PM if and only if they fail.
Also if I understand the distinction correctly, my night action did not fail. I was either misdirected, according to some of you, or my target was jailkept. I am not sure if that would resolve as a failure on my part.
It's not that I thought Roy was a bad lynch, but I felt Sloonei was a better one. adam claims to have JKed me N1 and Sloonei claims to have succeeded in targeting me N1. Given that I failed, Sloonei seemed the more solid lynch.
I admit, maybe I made a mistake by voting for Sloonei in light of Roy flipping as scum. But that's only confirmed once we know Sloonei's alignment and only if he's town.
But you still didn't address my reasoning. adam claims JKer. No one refutes it. He claims to have JKed me night 1. I claimed failure immediately on D2. Sloonei also claims to have targeted me N1. Yet should have failed since adam succeeded.
Ergo, if you want a better scum read, lynching adam or Sloonei would be smarter.
I'll agree that Quebbs the neutral gets a pass for now.
If Sloonei really is scum, then you and Adam would have no reason to switch from Roy to Sloonei if you were scum as well.
So either:
1) Roy and Sloonei are scum together and they both got caught sperately or
2) Roy and Adam and/or Raven are scum together and Adam/Raven tried to or took the opportunity to swing the vote from scum Roy to townie Sloonei or
3) Roy is the only scummer. Sloonei was misdirected, leading to some townies accusing each other.
I'm heavily leaning towards door 2. There's no door where Raven and Sloonei or Adam and Sloonei are scum together.
If you disagree and think that Sloonei and Adam could both be scum, please explain why Adam would do what he did yesterday.
Neither of us was sold on the Roy lynch. Look at the voting. Neither adam nor myself were on the Roy lynch at any point that I can see. As for his reasons, you'll have to ask him. I wasn't sold. adam's power has been corroborated by myself and to a lesser extent Darkstone. That was enough for me, especially with Sloonei's vagueness in regard to night actions. So if he's not sold on the Roy lynch, why not bring up an alternate train based on his own actions? Why not mention the actions before he could potentially die at night?
Of your options, I like option #1 the best, though #3 is plausible. Roy's whole defense was predicated on someone being MDed. We know that DBoy was an MD so that takes care of the town MD and all of his targeting on the nights in question are accounted for. We don't actually know that there is a mafia MD one way or the other.
So I preferred to lynch Sloonei and so did adam. Roy jumped on there which is a self-saving scum ploy and it lends a bit of credence to your 3rd scenario.
Please, go look at the day closely. I was on the "lynch the neutral" train for awhile and switched to something that I thought had more likelihood as it had directly affected me.
One thing to be wary of is the potential for a Godfather-type role which would render one of the town IDs more frightening. I think Sloonei looks like a townie at face value though, and I kind of appreciated Darkstone's thrill at my snarling entrance into the game last phase.
And where was this info yesterday? You were responding after the accusations were made. You easily could have dissuaded adam's train. Easily. So which is it? For the record. Did you succeed or fail N1?