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It wasn't a retcon; it was in both of the Earth-One Johnny Thunder's pre-Crisis appearances, the previously-cited Justice League of America #'s 37-38 (1965) and 219-220 (1983).
My favorite Jim Shooter story is unfortunately one that most people don't know.
In college, I worked on the campus humor magazine, The Gargoyle. Notably, we had comics features. Marvel ran a 4 issue "Gargoyle" mini in the 80's, and somebody on staff had the funny idea of writing a letter to Marvel claiming copyright/trademark/something violation* and saying that the magazine would happily ignore the issue if Marvel took out a 2-page ad in the magazine. Jim Shooter himself (in his unmistakable "little f**ks" style of writing) wrote back basically threatening legal holy war if we tried anytihng, we had no right, etc, good luck losers, etc, but since Marvel is so nice we'll buy an ad in your pissant magazine anyway. We ran the two page ad with the two letters superimposed, making Marvel/Shooter out to not only looks like #######s, but chumps as well. I believe we heartily overcharged them as well.
I really wish I still had that issue.
* We'd been around since the 1920's or so. Norman Mailer even wrote for us.
My favorite Jim Shooter story is unfortunately one that most people don't know.
In college, I worked on the campus humor magazine, The Gargoyle. Notably, we had comics features. Marvel ran a 4 issue "Gargoyle" mini in the 80's, and somebody on staff had the funny idea of writing a letter to Marvel claiming copyright/trademark/something violation* and saying that the magazine would happily ignore the issue if Marvel took out a 2-page ad in the magazine. Jim Shooter himself (in his unmistakable "little f**ks" style of writing) wrote back basically threatening legal holy war if we tried anytihng, we had no right, etc, good luck losers, etc, but since Marvel is so nice we'll buy an ad in your pissant magazine anyway. We ran the two page ad with the two letters superimposed, making Marvel/Shooter out to not only looks like #######s, but chumps as well. I believe we heartily overcharged them as well.
I really wish I still had that issue.
* We'd been around since the 1920's or so. Norman Mailer even wrote for us.
Oh man, that is beautiful. Somehow it reminds me of the famous Groucho Marx/Jack Warner correspondence over A Night in Casablanca.
When our story opens, the Question is investigating an impossible locked-room murder mystery involving a midget and a 6'6"-tall call girl into heavy bondage. Don't worry, I'll explain later. It's all vitally relevant.
--Alan Moore, Twilight
It wasn't a retcon; it was in both of the Earth-One Johnny Thunder's pre-Crisis appearances, the previously-cited Justice League of America #'s 37-38 (1965) and 219-220 (1983).
Oh... you meant the time before the retcon. OK then.
Sorry you feel left out bud...I'll have to find a reason to rep you soon...
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Oh so true. Oh so true.
Guess they wanted to explain how someone who fought crime in the 40's would be smokin hot 40 years later.
True that! - Black Canary and Zatanna...fishnets all the way!
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Oh, now. You've got to have continuity. Without it, writers and editors feel they have free reign to do whatever they want, and we end up with comics that longtime fans don't want to read and that won't generate any new longtime readers. (And yes, this is another rant on Quesada's Marvel.)
Unlike say the Star Wars continuity (or even Star Trek)...Comics are just afraid to actually allow their characters to age/change/grow - the whole "One more day/Brand new day" thing is a great example...Marvel didn't want to have to deal with a Spider-man that was "grown up" (over-simplified, but that sums it up)...DC has at least TRIED to have people age over time...hopefully that trend will continue in a good way - though I suspect that between the "(insert dramatic word here) Crisis" and "Blackest Night" DC is going to be "re-set" for another 10+ years.
(As a side note...Dark Horse has proved that allowing characters to grow/age is not fatal...and building a history works)
What's worse is that for Marvel their current tendency of publishing an OVER abundance of ret-con stories means that they could age their characters (and have them grow, and even have the next generation of heroes - MC2 was OK...the Avengers Next movie was a nice take on the concept). Then Marvel could begin to publish various series of "ret-con" adventures (essentially what they are doing with the all the X-men First Class books) on their more classic characters...they could even call it Marvel's Classic Era (can't call it the Marvel Age - though it would fit - since they already did a book of that title).
Oh...and before I forget the actual question for the thread...
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New question: Name the "three sinister sorcerers" whom Lex Luthor once contracted to attack Superman.
Yet another comic that I miss VERY much...the Secret Society of Super Villains (love Villain comics...would love for Super Villain Team-up to return too)...
but...I believe the answer is...
Felix Faust - Wizard - Matter Master
but...I believe the answer is...
Felix Faust - Wizard - Matter Master
KW gets it right! Matter Master was the third "sinister sorcerer", from SSoSV #7!
Although Matter Master dressed kind of like a "wizard", in conical hat and cloak, and carried a wand that held his power, his origin was scientific in nature. Wacky Silver-Age science, but science nevertheless. Apparently this had been forgotten by the writer of the SSoSV story (Rozakis? I don't recall). They tried to explain it years later in, of all places, Matter Master's Who's Who entry: "Because the wand defies hundreds of scientific principles, and because it works only for the Matter Master, Lex Luthor theorized that he had in fact stumbled upon some powerful form of magic."