I do.

(Insect hating jerk...)

I'd say it was more a blatant attempt to do "The Usual Suspects" with super-villains. I mean, a _really_ blatant version of the movie.

Oh, and on a sidenote for those wondering about Gladiator/Superman - Gladiator's "secret identity" in the "Imperial Guard" mini-series was Kallark (as in Clark).

As for Arsenal dying, eh they've already killed off Donna Troy. Can't knock off too many of the original sidekicks. I'd say if Green Arrow is losing anyone it's Connor Hawke (can't lose Mia as she's too tied-up in the HIV storyline/publicity).

First Sue, now Blue? If they off Blue beetle I will be so angry.

Oh, I forgot.

If YOU don't care, no one else does.


Ever seen The Big Lebowski?

"The world does not stop and start at your convenience, you miserable piece of...."

thugit - I guess the DC fans who think each and every move the company makes it great and ground breaking will care, but people who aren't that blind won't. The guys a C tier hero (AT BEST). And killing him can be a good story, but when you start advertising these books as universe changing and they will never be the same again, and you kill and #### (meaninglessly) Sue and kill Blue Beetle, two characters that really don't mean anything...... Who cares, you're do delievering what you're promising. DC is lying to build up hype around its mini-series and one shots.

Are their Alphla Flight and X-Men fans who liked Northstar? Of course there are, but to have him be the only victim of Wolverine "taking on the whole Marvel U", which Marvel built up to be bloody, doesn't cut it.

It's not that killing him off would necessarily be a universe changing event (although it could be), it's that they would be killing off a cool character.

And Beetle means plenty. He makes people laugh. Too few heroes do that nowadays.

I heard that Burger King ripped off McDonald's

Blue Beetle was a character DC bought from Charleton way back when. I'd say he's pretty cool but a C-tier at best. Maybe Charleton is coming back and they want their characters back.

I heard that Target ripped off Walmart

Yeah, but Walmart ripped off Woolworth's.

The real question is...which is BETTER.

The writer of Young Avengers is friends with Geoff Johns. He has talked to Johns in order to make the titles different--but NO ONE (at Marvel) denies that Teen Titans is the reason for this title.

Deadpool was NOT made to make fun of Deathstroke. Rob Liefield wanted to write Deathstroke, but he worked for Marvel. So, he wanted to create a Marvel character called Slade Wilson. It was all Nicieza could do to make Liefield change the character as much as he did. Nicieza supplied the personality, behaviour, etc for Deadpool--which is why he is similar only in appearance, ability, and to a lesser extent background.

Secret Wars came out before Crisis, but was envisioned as a response to the upcoming Crisis.

Only in the sense that a 'Hollywood' writer wrote it.

Rip-off? No. Inspiration? Definitely.

Maybe. I'm not all that familiar with Lobo, so I can't really say. Superficially, it kinda looks that way.

No. Nightwing's recent storyarc (horribly written, and uninspired) was at least loosely based off Millar and Nocenti's runs on Daredevil--but the characters are significantly different. Nightwing (the title) is already moving back away from this.

I disagree. Was it the inspiration? Yes. Is the execution the same? Nope. Will Superman be as late as Ultimates? Probably.

Unless you are talking about Hasselhoff, I don't know what character you are referring to. But, in case you are talking about Hasselhoff--they are not the same. Michael Knight =! Morbius.

Alan Moore. Google it. He's a writer of some reknown.

...and? The characters couldn't be more dissimilar. Unless all your arguments are based on superficial physical congruencies?

Dude. Seriously? That's a reference you want to make? Fine. Blue Bettle came out before Spider-Man, so all insect (or arachnid) based characters are rip-offs of Blue Beetle.

You are right. Norse mythology does predate the new god Orion. Gold star for you.

Soooo...if this is how you feel, why did you jump into a thread that wasn't even vaguely DC v. Marvel and start all this garbage? Nothing good on Sci Fi Network at the moment?

Please point out to me where I specifically stated that is was fact....

I stated that I have read this in more than one place. I just happened to quote the one that came to mind.

I like how you twist things to support your argument. Your twin there seems to do the same. It's amazing how you guys seem to "appear" at the same time, to defend Marvel/and put down DC.

Also, it's funny to me how, I used my post to point out that Zeb, likes to blast DC for the things that Marvel also does, and you use it to take a pot shot at me.

I don't give a #### if Marvel and DC rip each other off. However, don't use what one does to "claim" that one company is better than the other, when there is evidence to support that both companies have done this historically.

He likes bringing up the same things, and when someone poses a point, he switches gears.

Let's see, so he's taking about people coming back from the dead. What were the two X-men who were recently brought back from the dead? Oh, yeah Colossus and Psylocke. But I guess that's ok, because they are Marvel characters. What about Jean Grey? Sure it's understandable that the job of the Phoenix is to return. But is it always necessary for her to choose Jean? We have two story lines that prove that she'll be back at least two more times (Here comes tomorrow, and Phoenix:End Song), if not three (X-Men The End).

You guys wouldn't be here tearing this thread apart with your anti-DC rhetoric, unless you were trolling for trouble. As far as I'm concerned, until you guys defend Marvel on it's credibility, instead of using DC to support your arguments, nether one of you have credibility.

My bad, got you and Bizzaro mixed up cause of the avatar.

Whos my twin? And when I see all this "marvel just ripps of DC" stuff I just point out when DC does the samething. All I see is "Young Avengers is just a rip off of Teen Titan's but All-Star is completely different then Ultimates". Seems most DC fans think if Marvel does anything even remotly like a DC title its a rip off, yet they have to copy Marvel line for line for it not to be orginal. So I say something. If you think me or others on here don't have any credibility, stop answer our posts.

I also think its wrong to promote as a book as something its not. Its wrong of DC to promote IDC as a Universe changing book with character's dying when it didn't change anything the only characters who died who barely known wives of supporting hero's and it used cheap tatics to get some shock value. I think its wrong of them to promote Countdown the sameway if its just Blue Beetle whos going to die. If you read what I post I think Marvel is just as guilty with Ultimate War and the Enemy of the State stories, both promised to deliever something Marvel knew they didn't deliever.

I'm not a fan of bringing people back from the dead either. Claremont ruined the best X-Men story every written when he decided to bring Jean back from the dead, and further made her a clone, then she didn't really die etc... I don't like that Colossus is back or that Pyslocke has returned. But I think its just a bad that DC has brought GL back to life. I've heard on here that Jason Todd may be coming back (I dunno what that was based on, so I dunno how "real" that rumor might be) but if they do thats an even worse insult to the fans who voted for him to die in the first place.