Well, you don't have to read them, and they are open for discussion.

Well, after reading and reviewing your rankings, I disagree with almost everything that you’ve stated.

First about your criteria:

Character recognition: This is different for different people. Knowing that not everyone that plays, reads comics one has to assume that people have knowledge of these characters through cartoons, movies, tv shows, and advertisements. You have a comic background that is strong in Marvel, and it shows in your rankings. Not a bad thing, but kind of skews things a bit.

Your Play Style: Agreed. Play styles are a big factor in what a person uses to determine how good a particular set. That’s a bit different than what you play. In your case, you play villain teams, but that’s not necessarily your play style. It’s more like your play preference. You prefer to use villain teams. Your play style is how you actually play the game itself.

Character Uniqueness: I could see this being a factor. Obviously for you it is, and that’s cool. However, this is not as big a factor as one would think. Case in point: Every version of Wolverine has the same basic powers:

• Stealth/Charge/ Flurry-Some combination of these powers fit on his dial
• BCF-Standard Wolvie weaponry –Understandably so.
• Toughness/Regen

Now, there are several figures who have the same combination, and people would use Wolverine, because they know him. Never mind the fact that aside from the IC U, and CT’s Logan, there are better figures one can use to fill that need. Some are cheaper, and others are just plain better.

Tournament Worthiness: I feel this is similar to Your play style. Your play style determines what figures you feel are tournament worthy.

Now my thoughts on the sets, in reference to what you stated.

I think the character recognition for this set is on par with Infinity Challenge. Most of the characters in this set have dominated cartoons for the last 45 years or so. Superfriends, Scooby-Doo, The Adventures of Superman, Batman: TAS, Superman: TAS Batman & Robin, Challenge of the Superfriends, JLA, JLU, Plastic Man, and Teen Titans Go, are just some of the more well known cartoons, that non-comic readers have been exposed to. I count 27 characters in this set, that have been in cartoons, movies, and tv shows, since the 60’s.There are 46 individual characters in this set, and 8 of them are generics. That’s 71 % of the set that people have had a chance to see without ever reading a comic book. Using HCRealms as a cross section, I’m pretty sure that everyone on this board was exposed to DC heroes and villains in some way not directly related to the comics that these characters have appeared in. That being said, it is probable, that the characters in Hypertime were more recognizable than your score of 9 would indicate, and at the very least put them in the same category of recognition as the figures in IC.

Your play style, causes you not to choose many figures from this set, but that doesn’t mean the figures are useless, and that the set deserves that low of a score.

In terms of Character Uniqueness, how can a set, which changed the way that the game was played, and introduced so many things, get only a four? Harley Quinn, Riddler, Steel, Robin, E Batman, Hawk, Plastic Man, and Nightwing all brought things to the game, that changed it. Not to mention Willpower, PB, Perplex, Perma-Stealth, the ability to see into stealth, and IMP were all innovations that premiered in this set. If that isn’t character uniqueness, I’m not sure what is.

I count 20 R/E/V’s, 5 Uniques, and 6 LE’s that find themselves on to teams either posted here, or played at the venue that I Envoy/play at. That’s a total of 71 figures that people feel are tournament worthy.

Character recognition, or lack thereof, really hurt this set, and hurt the chances of an expansion.

People’s complaints about Indy, is sad..because as I stated in my example with Wolverine, given the opportunity to choose between the more recognizable Wolverine, and a more efficient figure, the common person will choose the character that they recognize.

There were more variations in Indy, than the set was given credit for. Lots of Stealth, BCF, and 3 damage-sure. But no two figures were exactly alike. TA, numbers, and the placement of the powers on their dials, made each figure unique, and provide for a different playing experience.

There are more tourney worthy figures than Abby Chase and Johnny Alpha, IMHO. V Shi, Bron, Yukio, Arwyn U, Samandahl Ray, Magdalena, Lobster Johnson, Witchblade, Boon LE, Hellboy, Kabuki, Rasputin, Torquemada, and Nemesis are all solid, tourney worthy figures.

I also don’t think that this is the perfect set for recognition, for someone outside of comics. While there are a lot of known characters, there are more, that people outside of comics simply do not know. I would argue that there were more characters (not by much) in HT, that were exposed to the general public, than in IC.

I still see Black Panther and Jean Grey being used. However, Ultron, Sabretooth, Cyclops, Annihilus, Blizzard, Pyro, Quicksilver, Klaw, Firelord, Wolverine U, Electra U, and Dr, Strange see board play. Given that the set is retired, they don’t see the level of play that they used to. But that is rarely done by choice.

Feat cards, BFC, and great support make these figures viable in today’s environment.

Character recognition on this set is lower than a 7 IMHO, for the general fan, and a 10 + for comic fans, that are X-Men fans. I would probably put it at a 5

I think that there were tons of interesting combos, and there are some highly playable figures in this set. I know you didn’t care for it, mostly because you aren’t an X-fan. But this set, would rank among the top in terms of playability. Not the worst IMHO of the Marvel sets in any category.

The figures that are the true gems of the set are really unique, in the sense that they tend to be the most efficient and/or effective pieces for what they do. For example take a look at Domino. Before her, the most efficient Probability Controller was Destiny, and before her all we had was Scarlet Witch. Destiny was better than Wanda, because she at least had the opportunity to dodge an attack with her Super Senses. Domino added, not only that, but stealth, and is a viable attacker. A lot of the pieces in MM had that same kind of evolution from previous versions.

And speaking of evolution, Feats, BFC’s, and Giant figure rules cannot be discounted. They are huge innovations that Mayhem brought us.

You know, at first, I was going to say that you were to harsh on your rankings for Unleashed. However, upon taking a closer look at the figures, I believe that UL is overrated. There are not very many playable R/E/V , but those that are playable are really good. I guess one can say it’s feast or famine with them. Of the 12 Uniques, 4 are garbage figures, Superman and Magog top the list, and the rest fall in between. There are some recognizable characters here, but a small amount.

There may be better Marvel sets, but this is still my favorite Marvel set. It was an even set. It was balanced within itself. Sure it gave us the Con Artist, but it also gave us fun, useful figures- Taskmaster, Green Goblin, Psylocke, Doc Samson, Destiny, Abomination, Beast, Shadowcat, Silver Samurai, Mandarin, Storm, Sauron, Mystique, Gambit, and Deathbird.

As will probably become the norm, X-Men characters are recognizable, and this set had quite a few that graced the screen, in one form or another.

This set is a mixed bag of tricks. Character recognition, to you is fine. But your ranking is too high. The common person has no clue who the majority of these characters are. In terms of tourney usefulness, it is one of the least useful sets, as there are very few figures worth playing, and in most cases, you can find better options. Overall, it really only has 4 figures that are worth using on tourney teams, IMHO, and they require feat cards to be effective-Venom, Spider-man, Captain Marvel, and Nebula.

Personally, I like the set for the characters that it has, and like it more than most people do. But when you factor everything in, it is still truly the worst Marvel set, WK has produced.

I don’t know, to me this is the best Heroclix set to date. It has power, finesse, utility, and everything anyone could ever ask for, game-play wise. Truly the only knock on this set, is that it needs other sets to round it out, because of how much you are paying for figures. But overall, there is really no better set. I mean, yeah people complain about anything not named Ares, GL, and Flash, but there isn’t a Unique in this set that is truly useless. There are only a handful of R/E/V’s that I wouldn’t use on a team. As seems to be the norm, another DC set changes the way the game is played.

What makes this set is the Uniques. Amazo, Despero, Eclipso, Superman, Batman, and Mordru, are all quality figures that can be used. In terms of R/E/V’s it produced some of the best that the game has seen in Deathstroke, Wonder Woman, Green Arrow, and Cheetah.After that there are only a handful of R/E/V’s that get consideration when building a team. Looking back, this set is really weak in the R/E/V department.

Well I don’t know that Marvel had anything to do with it, but WK produced a gem here. A set that was awesome on it’s own, and even better when you are able to supplement it with others. Ultimates has the most useful set of R/E/V’s of any set before it, and half of the Uniques are worth playing. This was the first Marvel set to really help the evolution of the game , and it combines power with playability, and efficiency, to make it the game’s best Marvel set to date. People complained about all of the remakes, but it didn’t seem to stop them from helping WK sell out. Up until 2 weeks ago, this was the #1 set in Heroclix.


This is the one set, where 1 figure carries its popularity. CT had some great figures, but in terms of sheer numbers, most of the figures were not that useful. Sure there were the stand outs of Dr. Doom, Logan, She-Hulk, Thor, Black Cat and Doombot, and you also had two of the most abused figures in the game in Mandroid Armor and Invisible Girl R. But for the most part anything after that wasn’t really worth it. Avalanche was an after thought until the Indy rules revision, and then he became a stand out. In terms of Uniques, the set really only had 4 worth using, and one of those was, and is still not one of the easiest to get. Over time, few of these figures have maintained their usefulness. This set has long been regarded as one of the best, but to me, it’s really not that great.

I don't know that a person could rank sets without being subjective, mainly because there are so many factors that one takes into account, when making thoe types of determinations, and we all look at things differently. However, I do applaud you on your attempt to at least give us something.

I would actually like to come up with a ranking system and ranking myself.

We'll see what happens with that soon.

I disagree with pretty much everything you said.

Your a DC fan of course you rate DC stuff higher when it should be. But thats part of it. No matter how you go about it. Its all opinion. So everyone will have a different opinion when it comes to this. So techinically no one is really wrong.

Only thing that I really really disagree with is your version of Hypertime. It is argueable, on the realms and in my area, to be the worst set to date. I agree it is. Personally I use 1 figure from the set. I have only seen 1 other figure to be used and thats Nightwing. Its just really a bad set.

I disagree with pretty much everything you said.

Your a DC fan of course you rate DC stuff higher then it should be. But thats part of it. No matter how you go about it. Its all opinion. So everyone will have a different opinion when it comes to this. So techinically no one is really wrong.

Only thing that I really really disagree with is your version of Hypertime. It is argueable, on the realms and in my area, to be the worst set to date. I agree it is. Personally I use 1 figure from the set. I have only seen 1 other figure to be used and thats Nightwing. Its just really a bad set.

I'm coming to the same conclusion on Unleashed as well. I really like the generics in the set and the LEs they spawned, but there's not much happening with the rest of the REVs. Maxima and Queen Bee are too pricey for what they do. Two-Face's defense dial should have been what Ra's dial is (flip WP and MM). The Legionnaires were botched as far as representing them, but still playable at the time. Now with ICWO for just a few more points or less than any version of Brainiac 5, I can't see any justification of using him unless there's an anti-stealth TA for him to copy.

Still have much love for Dr. Fate and the Suicide Squad ability, though.

I am not a DC fan, I am a fan of Heroclix. There's a difference. If you noticed, I didn't rate anything. I think you missed the point, and maybe need to re-read what I said. I also never stated that you were wrong, so much as point out a difference in opinion, and told you what I disagreed on, also different than saying that you were wrong.

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Only thing that I really really disagree with is your version of Hypertime. It is argueable, on the realms and in my area, to be the worst set to date. I agree it is. Personally I use 1 figure from the set. I have only seen 1 other figure to be used and thats Nightwing. Its just really a bad set.

Your area is not the end all and be all of Heroclix, and neither is what you use. I see people using HT figures at my venue and I have seen people use figures from HT on teams that they have posted on the realms. Look at Critical Mass-you defend it to the hilt. Yet most people outside of your home, call it the worst Marvel set to date. When you lok at it, there are less figures that are tourney worthy, in that set, than in any other. However, I'm not so bold as to say it is or isn't the worst set to date. Because that's based on opinion.

I did and will say that I feel that you ranked it too low, in terms of Tourney worthiness, and Character recognition. Your particular play style causes you not to use the figures from this set, but that's your personal choice, and does not necessarily reflect what goes on outside of your home. In terms of charcter Uniquness-many figures have been copied, off of what was done in Hypertime. Many of those figures were the molds for what has been done in pretty much every set since-so how can they get a low Uniquness score, when they were the originals?

For referance, I'll quote it

Cool review, I've been looking for something like this to guide which sets I go after, or at least in what order I try to finish them off. So I appreciate the effort and a lot of the comments.

I do have a question about the restricted status of IC and CT, it was my understanding based on the different lists Wizkids put out that a character that was aped in Universe was still tourney legal? Meaning that the IC and Universe versions are both still playable? This was the reason for the 'rosetta stone' as I understood it.

I also wanted to add an idea of price and availability. I would agree that CT is the best set based on the fact it the one set that pretty much sold out straight-up boosters being nigh impossible to dig up and commanding premium prices when they do. Also Indy and CM are generally the lowest priced Boosters, with HT, Universe, and IC close on their heels though the latter could be for higher production runs. CJ and Xplosion are somewhat higher priced than Ultimates, MM, Legacy, or Unleashed but this could just be an artifact of being older, the collectible factor. Anyway the consensus I got fomr this was that their wasn't much interest in CM from the player base and a lot of people were drooling over CT. That might be intuitively obvious, but I thought it was interesting.

Personally I like the four most recent sets and where the game is going. I was happy with CT, but I felt that Xplosion tried to do too much, cover too much ground and Critical Mass paid the price for that. I'll always think of CM as the space set, Kree, Starjammers, Brood, Bill, Surfer, Adam Warlock. I didn't pick up any boosters for this set and now that's about to rotate out of tourney play I don't know that I will.

Just my $0.02, which is worth much less.

If you rate Hypertime any higher then last place. Then I have to disagree with it. That is what we are discussing. I still do not see any tourney worthy figures in the set. Also you stated pretty much what you stated.

No love for DC or Marvel. Just plain what is good or bad of each set. The way you talk shows how well you defend DC which skews the results. I took a neutral version on the sets which I always do when I do these sort of things.

I didnt say anyone one was wrong? I just stated that no one is wrong. I think you missed my point on that one. Even in my quote you quoted. I didnt say no you are wrong.

I never said my opninion is the be all end all opinion. I think your taking it a bit personal. Its all opinion and its all subjective. I think your confusing that I am saying this is the way it is. I have made sure I have never said that. I even put down that Hyper is "Argueable" the worst set to date. I specifically say Personaly for me it is. I kept this as statistically as possible. Other wise I would put Critical Mass as #1.

Hypertime Tourney Worthiness, is equal to IC and is tied with IC which is in the same boat. Same arguements can be used for IC that you use for HT. SOrry its not Tournament worthy for me.

Hypertime Character Recognition, which is a 9. So it missed it by 1 point The reason is. As long as its not X related I can usually recognize 99% of the characters. Even then I have seen there characters more then once which helps. There is still some people I have yet to see in comics Swamp Thing, Dove, Arcane, T O Marrow Man. I have just seen lately Hawk Plastiman, Blue Beetle, and Booster Gold.
So for me thats not that good of a character recognition. Thats not even including only seeing a character once in comics.

Hypertime Character Uniqueness, isnt even close to what it is now. They were original molds which doesnt even come close thw what it is like now. But it is closer then what IC was because the number of powers is the only thing that stayed from HT. Which is why I ranked IC lower then HT.

I have stated this over and over again. This is my opinion. Its not Fact. This is just to get everyone to discuss everything. I am not saying this is the be all end all opinion.

If you rate Hypertime any higher then last place. Then I have to disagree with it. That is what we are discussing. I still do not see any tourney worthy figures in the set. Also you stated pretty much what *I* stated.

Surprisingly I agree with almost everything in Manchine's list. The only change I would make would be switching the places of Unleashed and Legacy. I am very unimpressed with Legacy.

Glad I'm not the only one who thinks Critical Mass was a good set.

"In terms of Character Uniqueness, how can a set, which changed the way that the game was played, and introduced so many things, get only a four? Harley Quinn, Riddler, Steel, Robin, E Batman, Hawk, Plastic Man, and Nightwing all brought things to the game, that changed it. Not to mention Willpower, PB, Perplex, Perma-Stealth, the ability to see into stealth, and IMP were all innovations that premiered in this set. If that isn’t character uniqueness, I’m not sure what is."


Not to throw anything off...but if this statement is to set a standard, then Infinity Challenge would have to be a 10. I mean it DID introduce ALL the rules and the play style for a year and a half.

I see Hypertyme used a bunch...mostly batman related for wildcard abuse. I see less characters played than any other set though. Never seen and Arcane or Solomon Grundy{my favorite DC piece} on any team. Sure you have Robins, V Nightwing and E Batman..but the other pieces do show up on theme teams.

I really disliked Unleashed, and I did a comparison on how bad it was...and I actually found quite a few good REV pieces. I was shocked.

I think that you have to look at the sets and their impact on the game. Clobberin Time was on every team for over a year...V Aim Medics, yellowjacets,more shield and all the theme pieces you could want. Then xplosion came out. I am sorry....DC took too long to get Cosmic Justice out. Until Indy came out those Marvel sets dominated the game... everything you saw was an xplosion piece or clobberin time with an IC base of Firelord, Vulture, Dr. Strange, etc.

Indy did more to change the game than any set to date in my opinion. It neutered the whole rule set and made the perplex bomb and Nightcrawler nightmare possible!! AAArrgggg!!!!

Critical mass had as much HYPE for the Silver Surfer as KC Superman did AFTER Unleashed. Sure he was a letdown, but wow he was a brief reprise from the Nightcrawler madness out there that was so overwhelming.

From Unleashed and through Universe to the present the sets have all had a more 'streamlined' feel to the core rules.

Legacy sits far better in the REV's than the Uniques, but time will tell that Character recognition will make a set or break it.
The Uniques are big monsters THAT did change team building,[but the feats/BFC's did much more than that!!] however, as the past has shown again and again, this is a game about actions [unless you have willpower you need to have 2 figures for every 100 points as a general rule] Like all the monsters, these big boys will lose tourny after tourny and guess what...the gamers play with the pieces that are winners.
When Fantasitic Forces have been out for a month...do you think that you will see any of the 200+ characters from Legacy on any regular basis???wanna put your money on a bet??

I know I wouldn't

peace
wes

ps: great article..but you gave DC to much of an edge!!

At the moment, the 200+ bruisers from Legacy I'm seeing played are GL and Ares. There was skepticism about Mongul, Zod and Ultraman from the time their stats were released, so no, those three won't see any play after FF, if they even see much play in the next few weeks.

I think GL, at least, has a pretty good future.

Did you see anywhere where I said it wasn't rated last? If you did, please point it out to me.

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No love for DC or Marvel. Just plain what is good or bad of each set. The way you talk shows how well you defend DC which skews the results. I took a neutral version on the sets which I always do when I do these sort of things.

I'm not defending any DC set over a Marvel set. In fact, I think what I did, was show where I had and opinion on your assessment, about the way you rate things. In regards to HT, I mostly said That tournament worthiness was more than what you rated it, based on teams that are posted on the realms, and what is played at my venue. Would I say that it's the best set, no, because I don't believe that. Would I say it's the worst set, no, because I don't believe that, and it has nothing to do with wether it's Marvel or DC.

Also, how long ago did you really start reading or accepting DC comics? So your character recognition for Marvel sets over DC sets stand to reason, which is the point I was tryig to make in what you quoted. It's not wrong or right, it's fact based on things that you have stated. Until recently you weren't into DC comics. But you have a long history, according to you, in reading comics, from Marvel. Ergo, you would recognize more low level Marvel characters, than DC characters.

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I didn't say anyone one was wrong? I just stated that no one is wrong. I think you missed my point on that one. Even in my quote you quoted. I didnt say no you are wrong.

Not sure what this is meaning since looking back no claimed any one was wrong. You made a referance to 'so technically no one is wrong, and I stated that I was pointing out my disagreements with your logic, not claimimg that you were wrong.

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I never said my opninion is the be all end all opinion. I think your taking it a bit personal. Its all opinion and its all subjective. I think your confusing that I am saying this is the way it is. I have made sure I have never said that. I even put down that Hyper is "Argueable" the worst set to date. I specifically say Personaly for me it is. I kept this as statistically as possible. Other wise I would put Critical Mass as #1.

I'm not taking anything personal, I'm pointing out what you said:

On the realms, I see people using HT figures on teams that they post regularly. Just because you use one figure, and just because you've only ever seen 1 figure being used, doesn't support your argument. I does however support your opinion, and that's cool. But it is your opinion, and as such is subject to ridicule. You wanted people to post their opinions, and I did.

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Hypertime Tourney Worthiness, is equal to IC and is tied with IC which is in the same boat. Same arguements can be used for IC that you use for HT. SOrry its not Tournament worthy for me.

I agree, they are in the same boat. But IMHO, both sets still have a bit to offer the current tourney enviornment.



Ok, you missed my point with this. I was simply pointing out that more of these characters, have had exposure, than what you are aware of. Obviously, if you don't recognize a character, I'm not going to fault you for that..but most of the characters in HT have been exposed to the general public, giving it a higher level of character recognition, than you are aware of.

No, but in terms of Uniquness, they were Unique. As all figures from HT, IC, and CT, improvements and evolution have occured. But they were still the originals. For me, that's Unique.

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I have stated this over and over again. This is my opinion. Its not Fact. This is just to get everyone to discuss everything. I am not saying this is the be all end all opinion.

And in trying to discuss it, you have taken what I said in my original assessment and turned this into an argument, without a real need. Is it you that are taking things personal?

What I did, was simply comment on what you stated, never really pointing out what I feel you did wrong, because it is your opinion. Looking back, this was the only thing I actually questioned you on:

Other than that, I just basically expanded on things that you had posted. So what exactly is the deal? If you want to get caught up on the value of HT, then so be it. But at least read an understand what I stated about it, before turning this into something it's not.

Those 200+ figs will be hard to put on a 300 point team and you are probably right about their appearance dropping off. I'm hoping for a revision of the tourney rules to allow for 400 point builds. Then we will definitely see them again. If not maybe I'll buck the trend and see if I can keep them rerunning in "syndication." (Cheesy pun I know. It had to be done.)

I am a huge DC fan: Hypertime is the worst set. Fun to play but lots of really bad pieces. Thankfully ICONS is on its way.

IC came out first, yes. But aside from Nightcrawler, the Marvel side of Heroclix saw very little change till Xplosion was released.

As Manchine pointed out, in his review, the game that we played today was essentially built on HT, not IC.

IC got HC out there (more thanks to the Spider-Man movie, otherwise, it's been strongly rumored that HT would've came out first.), but HT started the changes to the game we see and play today.

Counting LE's I have seen a version of every figure in HT used in a tourney at least once. Sure some of them have fallen off of the wayside, but I have seen them. There are plenty that are still playable.



Agreeing with Manchine's assessment (which he missed), this set is overrated. There are characters in this set that are just not useful. What makes this set good to people, is the fact that there were characters that had been asked for and were finally produced. Having Superman and Magog, didn't hurt the sets popularity.

First, WK, not Marvel or DC, puts the sets out. Other than some advice, Wk has complete creative control over everything that they do with Heroclix.

But you're right, between the three Marvel sets that were produced between HT and CJ, most of the figures were from the three Marvel sets. However, DC figures filled in a lot of support roles. Aquaman and Hawk were cheap bruisers used on alot of teams, Booster Gold and Hawkman, were useful taxi's, and if you had the points for them you put them in. E Batman was the most dominant figure not named Firelord. And if you couldn't fit him, then you downgraded to Black Panther. If you wanted MM fodder for Doom, Booster Gold and Solomon Grundy filled that roll. Swamp Thing was a beast that could not be taken down. Before E White Queen, there was U Key. Of course, the Indy rules revision changed the focus of the game, and players went to figures that could move an attack . But many a player felt the beatings handed down by Bane.



Well, the rules changes were introduced in Indy, sadly enough, it is the only thing Indy gave to the game. Though it gave us some useful figures, Indy had no real lasting impressions on the game. This was due more to players not giving them a chance.

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Critical mass had as much HYPE for the Silver Surfer as KC Superman did AFTER Unleashed. Sure he was a letdown, but wow he was a brief reprise from the Nightcrawler madness out there that was so overwhelming.

Well, I like Critical Mass for the characters that were produced in that set. Kraven Archangel, Rhino, Venom, Selene, Absorbing Man, Terrax, and Dormammu were characters that I really wanted. And I loved this set for having them. But in terms of practical play (i.e. Tournament play), I don't see these figures played. Venom and Spider-man V became useful with the release of Pounce. Captain Marvel, was good, got shelved, and IMHO is good again, thanks to trick Shot. The same can be said about Nebula. moon Knight was all the rave for a while. But realistically, you really have to be a fan of Marvel to like what this set had to offer.

Tourney players that are serious about winning, rarely use CM pieces.


Agreed.



Agreed.



Skilled players can make the big boys winners too. The game has moved from standard 200-300 points to 400 pts. I have seen players dominat with KC Superman & R Domino as a 300pt team in a regional event. A skilled player can take a great figure and dominate. The same skilled player can take most of the bruisers from Legacy an succeed. Also, as you have stated, Feat cards and BFC, has increased the chances of said players being successful with said figures.

Kind of getting ahead of yourself, don't you think? Since you have no clue as to what the set s like, and since we don't know if we are going to get quality Giant Figs/2 base figs, or if we're going to get a set full of Giant-man figures (i.e Waste of plastic), it's hard to say.