Which is a great example of why following idiotic rules can only hurt the game. Yeah go ahead and enforce retiring 3 sets a year, you'll drive away over half the players and kill the game........ why on earth would you follow a rule designed to increase sales that only hurts the kids they keep saying the game is for?

If the players at your shop are happy playing hypertime or infinity challenge characters then let them. I understand what the retirements are for and I enjoy seeing a few figures on that retirement list (cough..Firelord..cough)

I like giving power to choose to the people. An envoy can always decide to do retirement rules or not just like they come up with their own scenarios.

Whats going ot happen in the fall when the new maps with scenerios come out?

If a player can't play Hellboy b/c he is retired then there should be another version at least!!!!

You forgot Martha Stewart and John Tesh!

Well... even if the envents you sign up for are restricted, Wizkids says it's OKAY to have house rules, as long as it's written out.

Have a no retirement on (insert set you don't want retired).

But heh, my venue always runs special builds and scenarios anyway, so that's mor erestrictive than being restricted... also keeps it fun.

Really? I was unaware of that etymology. From what root words is it derived?

In a class I took on Faust, we were taught that Mephistopheles was probably derived from words meaning "No Faust lover", as the Me- beginning was supposed to refer to "No," the "phisto" being derived from Faust, and the "pheles" part being a fairly standard derivation from "philos" meaning lover. I'm always interested in learning new etymologies.

Totally ridiculous to retire Indy. Why punish the fans who actually picked up the old Indy stock lying around?

I really hope Wizkids considers removing Indy from their retirement list. The other sets are in-line with their previous statements about having a base set, but Indy has none of these!

Not that people use Indy a lot these days, but it'd be nice if we had some consistency from Wizkids.

Set retirement is one of the few things that is specifically excluded from house rules. Granted, they are most likely not going to check venue to venue to see if you are house-ruling set retirement, but if someone reports your venue, they will check it out.

They are only retiring Indy so that they won't ever have to worry about updating it with BFCs and Feats and such. Sad.

I'm glad to see Marvel and DC get love, but I guess I will never see my favorite figures in this game. Too bad really, since I like Image and such far more than I will ever like the "big two".

And to think Bro Mags had hinted that I would be happy with upcoming announcements to do with Indy...

Retirement in a game system with no rankings and no cash prizes is absurd. The new guy can't compete argument holds no water given the power creep we've seen and the fact that older figures are worth no more on the secondary market then new figures, with the rare Nightcrawler exception (though he has already been power creeped). No venue in Atlanta that I play at acknowledges retirement because it's bad for business. If you want to make the premier events the last three sets then fine, but to declare it over 2/3 of the weekly events is garbage.

Actually, it isn't. The last 6 currently unretired sets, in release order:

Hypertime - September 2002
Cosmic Justice - June 2003
Indy - October 2003
Critical Mass - December 2003
Unleashed - March 2004
Ultimates - June 2004

So Cosmic Justice is being skipped, and Critical Mass included. Frankly I can't make heads or tails of it, the policy doesn't make any real sense. Retiring one of each universe, perhaps? Doesn't make much sense when one universe only has one set, and another universe gets half as many expansions a year and its last one is made of unobtanium. Such a policy would eventually end up with a huge back catalog of unrestricted Marvel sets and a small selection of legal DC sets. So obviously "one per universe" isn't the logic - and if set age also isn't the driving logic, then what logic is at work is a mystery.

Must be that funny WizKids brand of logic. Something I still haven't figured out yet.

Come to think of it, isn't Indy a base set? Retiring two base sets at the same time with a half size base set does seem a little screwy. But then, retirement is pretty screwy from the get-go. In practice, retirement isn't much of an issue, since most venues I attend don't give a rip about it anyway. And even the ones that do are allowed to run, what, two unrestricted events a month?

1. Nothing should be retired, ever. (What do we think this is, Tragic the Gibbering ??? )

2. Given that some sets have already been retired, this should be revoked.

3. Even if Retirement continues, there is NO WAY retirement should apply to Indy, until we get AT LEAST 2 more Indy expansions ... (are you listening, Wizkids ? )

4. "Limited figure set" tournies are fair enough, but unlimited, unrestricted, cross-universe should be the norm.

Sort it out, people !

All the Best

(a rather irritated)

Noman

ok, so you'd prefer hypertime, cosmic justice and indy?

my point was obviously the three sets were the oldest for retirment that make sense. they're skipping cosmis justice due to the lack of Dc expansions. indy is being retired due to age/lack of consumer interest.