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I loved his early contributions to Marvel. Revitalizing a dying tpb format, marvel knights, ultimate line, etc....
But now he seems interested in destroying the marvel universe. My examples
1. Speedball. Character was dry as toast when he was introduced, Fabian made him a truly fun character in New Warriors, light-hearted and funny. I loved that character, and it is a staple in my RPG campaign that I run. But because Q had a hard-on to kill the character, he has to turn him into this S+M freak that wants people to hurt him. This Penance is not Robbie Baldwin, I refuse to let bad story-telling to ruin one of my favorite characters. Speedball will live on, at least in MY stories
2. Spider-Man. Sure the character is always tormented. thats his shtick. But the "lets kill aunt may" thing has only occured a dozen times, you'd think Petey would be used to the ideo of losing her by now
3. Captain America. Lame. Lets do the same thing to him that we used a long time ago on John Walker, where he is publicly assassinated and no one will know its him when he puts on the suit again. And lets make sure it gets LOTS of press so we can have non-comic fans picking up the book, like what happened when DC killed Supes. Cap is one of those characters you just don't kill, especially in such a mundane way. Guy has been shot umpteen million times over the course of his existance, and i'm supposed to buy that this time its real? If it is, thats really sad.
please, feel free to post your reasons why he should hit the unemployment line, or also offer up why you think he is deserving of his position as destroyer of characters.
I am extremely dissapointed In Mr Queseda and the Direction He has taken the marvel verse and the marvel Characters I have Loved SInce Childhood. He has turned the Marvel Verse into a very dark, Depressing place and I think it is wrong.
But the topper for me was the cheap way he killed off Captain America(Steve Rogers). The way he used an American Icon to boost slumping comic sales. I have a way to boost sales. Tell good stories again. He was put in charge of protecting and preserving an American Icon and he kills him off like a bad episode of Law and Order. That Bothers me and what mr Queseda has done to Marvel is just wrong. It really sucks to be a Marvel Comics fan lately.
Stan Lee where are you!?
The problem with that is, the bulk of Marvel's profits anymore come from movies and licensing deals. And, quite frankly, I don't see any way that Spider-Man 3 isn't going to insure that nothing changes at Marvel for a long, long time to come.
As long as profits are up, they aren't going to make any major changes (like, firing the EiC of their comics division).
That's probably true. However, the corporation is still comprised of divisions. If the EiC of a particular division is no longer performing up to the now-inflated expectations of the Board of Directors and the shareholders, that EiC and his staff will probably be in the unemployment line sooner than later.
I think my original argument still stands. You don't like it, don't buy it. The boycott could extend to anything Marvel. Don't go to the movies, don't buy or rent the DVDs, stay away from the fast-food tie-ins, the cereal tie-ins etc. Hit the corporation in its lifeline, cash sales. Low sales translate into dropping stock prices, which panic shareholders. Panicky shareholders scare the living bejeebers out of the Boards of Directors, and they make heads roll.
I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels manipulated by both of the big publishers. Killing off favorite characters, messing up continuity, teasing us into buying more comics by crossing storylines over several titles, higher priced "special" issues and universe-shattering, year long "events" that build to a big meh, anti-climax. Both of the big publishers are locked in a crazy, death struggle for our dollars. They've apparantly focused their attentions on their adversary, and only marginal thought is given to their customers.
Don't fall for the tricks. Do something more useful with the money you would spend on the comics and realted products. Like maybe save it. I know that a savings account only gives a tiny return, but it's a return! The comics we waste good money on won't provide ANY return. Because they will be certainly undervalued in the future, if not completely valueless. Well, they CAN be recycled into something useful. Like paper towels and toilet paper.
Ultimately, comic books are storytelling. Good storytelling has three components. Interesting characters, who overcome monumental odds to achieve a worthwhile goal. In my opinion, there are far too few titles that hit all three of these components. It's a shame that the big pubs can't consistantly deliver good storytelliing in exchange for our $3.00 or more per book.
Against nepotism in all it's forms. Especially in a family-run business.
Fantastic Four: The End was a GREAT little story by Alan Davis
uhh....can't think of any other recent ones. I'm outta here!!!
I'll back "FF: The End" as greatly enjoyable (and, for once, someone realized "The End" doesn't have to be all grim and death-ridden).
Other comics from Marvel that I still enjoy: "Heroes for Hire", "Daredevil", "Moon Knight" (though it's wearing a bit thin of late), "Ghost Rider" ...basically comics that fly around the radar and get to avoid most of the nonsense (though in GR's case they took the forced "Civil War" crossover and actually pulled off something cool with it and Moon Knight told both sides to stop with the "Who's got the bigger one" contest). Sadly at least half of those titles are ones I don't expect to last long, especially if the 90's start repeating and titles have to be cannibalized.
Hmm...the fashion statement of Marvel 1990's was flight jackets (along with plenty of extraneous belts - some of which didn't even have pouches on them!) and trenchcoats - wonder what all the "hip" heroes will be wearing this speculator-fueled-frenzy-season.
"Nobody important? That's amazing. You know, in 900 years of traveling time and space I've never met someone who wasn't important."
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Quesada didn't kill Cap. Brubaker did. I hate Quesada for pretty much all of the reasons listed here and then some, but it was Bru's idea. He was going to do it, then he just used the end of Civil War as the place to do it.
let me know if someone starts a petition and is going to send it to marvel AND post t online...and I'm in. Joey Q ruined marvel comics for me, perhaps permanently.
Quesada didn't kill Cap. Brubaker did. I hate Quesada for pretty much all of the reasons listed here and then some, but it was Bru's idea. He was going to do it, then he just used the end of Civil War as the place to do it.
My #1 favorite Marvel character- Dead. Shot while in handcuffs. Just previously, he had revealed to himself that he was being a villian. Didn't even get a hero's death.
Shot whil catching a bullet for a US marshal. As heroic as it gets, under the circumstances.
And it's not as if he's likely to stay dead.
Quesada didn't kill Cap. Brubaker did. I hate Quesada for pretty much all of the reasons listed here and then some, but it was Bru's idea. He was going to do it, then he just used the end of Civil War as the place to do it.
Uh, not quite.
Brubaker said he couldn't remember if he pitched the idea or if someone else did and he just fleshed it out. I'm reasonably sure that, if I were a writer and I actually pitched the idea of killing someone I'd once claimed was my favorite character to my boss, I would remember it.
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JacinB is right.
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Superman-based interactive entertainment products tend to be very bad, because an accurate Superman game would have one button labeled "Use Powers" and you would press it and win.
If that's the case, then you will have to also give Quesada equal credit for anything that happend that you liked while under his watch.
So ... pretty much nothing then, eh?
Quote : Originally Posted by hair10, Gentlegamer, doctorfate77, d_knight7, etc.
JacinB is right.
Quote : Originally Posted by Lore Sjöberg
Superman-based interactive entertainment products tend to be very bad, because an accurate Superman game would have one button labeled "Use Powers" and you would press it and win.
If that's the case, then you will have to also give Quesada equal credit for anything that happend that you liked while under his watch.
Sure, if I think of any...
Besides, my major fault with him is he doesn't seem to do his job (ie filtering what gets made for content), thus anything good that slipped through would only be 'because of him' by default.
Quesada didn't kill Cap. Brubaker did. I hate Quesada for pretty much all of the reasons listed here and then some, but it was Bru's idea. He was going to do it, then he just used the end of Civil War as the place to do it.
Mr Queseda was EDITOR and Chief of marvel Comics and that meant it was his place to say yes or no and he let it happen on his watch. Pure and simple.
The Killing of Cap was just the last straw for me. The way it was done was as Stupid as Mr Quesedas Untruths as to why it was done. The whole way the Marvel verse has gone since House of M and even before that. Marvel stopped being fun. it stopped having a soul. And It all happened while Mr Queseda was in charge.
Brubaker said he couldn't remember if he pitched the idea or if someone else did and he just fleshed it out. I'm reasonably sure that, if I were a writer and I actually pitched the idea of killing someone I'd once claimed was my favorite character to my boss, I would remember it.
NRAMA: So once it was all decided that Captain America would die in issue #25 did it require any drastic changes of your plans as you had been constructing them for the series?
EB: Not really. This storyline, in one form or another, has been building since issue #1 of Cap. The way it begins, with Cap's death in issue #25, is probably more huge than it might have been otherwise, and more of an event. I tend not to think huge or event, generally, but this warrants it. But even with all that, to me, this is just a continuation of the story I've been telling in Cap all along, and this is the next step. If Civil War had not come along, it may have taken a while longer to get here, and Cap may or may not have been killed, but this is all fitting into my plans and leading to some great things in Cap. I'm really excited about this book, just as much as I was when I first began it. I have said from the beginning that Civil War was a gift to me, and to Cap, because of what I'd be able to do after it, and it's really true. This story became better I think, than it would have been otherwise.
So without Civil War, Ed might or might not have killed Cap. Judging by this, Cap would almost certainy have taken an extended leave of absense from the book, if killing the character doesn't really mess with Ed's longterm plans for the book, and had even been building to something similar.