It doesn't, as far as I know Compel works like Mind Control, stat-wise, and gives the compeller and SA for successfully taking control.

Yeah, there isn't a lot of precedence for this kind of TA sharing. Honestly Rokk, I'd lobby to Tanis. Superman Ally/Ultimates, Bat Ally, X-Men/Titans, KC/Hypertime and others don't grant stats, but the stat sharing, PC-lite (CSA) and the like grant ASTs.

So there is precedence for what you're doing here, it just depends on which category Tanis feels it should fall under.

The main problem is that the rules about TAs granting stats aren't coherent. Most of the cases where TAs grant stats under the current rules are analogous to powers that grant stats. For example, you can earn DFDs with Defend, which is similar to JSA/Defenders/Alt FF; you can earn ASTs with Perplex, which is similar to boosting Attack Values with PD, Hydra, etc.

There's no obvious analogue for MoE. Sure, Spidey couldn't have made that attack without copying MoE, but if that's the criterion for earning stats, then you'd have to open other TAs up for stats. For example, under that reasoning, you'd earn an AST if a wildcard copied Ultimates TA to make a ranged attack against a stealthed character.

We don't do that?

Oh I didn't even realize that. Course I've never had an Ultimate/Superman Ally on my team with a wildcard

Though, I would point out that Ultimates/Supes Ally could be used to make ASTs -easier- to get, if they were granted the TA to Outwit Stealthy characters and the like. Not an AST in and of itself, but more an AST to an AST

I was under the impression that we didn't. At least, I've never claimed an AST for that.

If that's not correct, well then, I've been missing out on stats for 2 seasons!

C'mon Jar. Please don't bring us to the Sub mark again. You've still got a couple hours so surprise me.

i got you, rokk. pm me your email. i lost it.

nm dude, i found it. turn coming up.

Outsiders turn 4. Apologies to Jarimy, as the turn started out well, but went south pretty quickly with some garbage rolls.

f) Leadership succeeds. 5 actions

1) Creeper L/C to N-8

2) GeoForce pushes to RCE GM. 11 (PD) vs 17 (hindering). Misses with a 4. EEEESH.

3) Halo moves out of the way to O-3, pushing.

4) Gordo pops GM for 1, needing an 8 and getting it. no kb. 1 SA.

5) BL RS with Incap to Q-3. 9 (PD) vs 16 (hindering) on Enchantress. Crit Miss, which unfortunately, DOES make him take a click because it is a 0 damage attack and not a "no damage" attack. At least there are no injuries in the preseason.


Assault On New Olympus (home)

1) V Hercules 83 pts (8/9) - S-8 (hindering)
2) Spider-Man (E Spider-Girl)* 77 pts (5/7) - @@ W-8
* Lunge 5 pts, Vault 3 pts
3) The Uranian (U Enchantress CT) 91 pts (7/7) - @ R-7 (Hindering; Attack +1)
4) V Gorilla-Man 61 pts (2/8) - Q-7
5) V M-11 59 pts (8/8) - O-8

Rip It Up 20 pts

Total – 399 pts
Spidey: 2 SA, 1 KO
Gorilla-Man: 1 SA, 1 AST
Hercules: 1 SA, 1 KO
M-11: 1 SA, 1 KO
The Uranian: 1 AST

vs

Outsiders (visitor)

1) LE Alfred Pennyworth (0/4) 34 pts KO'd KO'd KO'd
2) R Geo-Force (5/6) 71 pts O-4 @@ (HO)
3) R Black Lightning (4/5) 48 pts Q-3 @
4) R Metamorpho (6/6) 46 pts P-7
* Takedown 6 pts
5) E Creeper* (6/6) 45 pts N-8 @
* Takedown 6 pts
6) R Halo (4/5) 37 pts O-3 @@
7) R Katana (0/5) 37 pts KO'd KO'd KO'd
8) R Gotham Policeman (0/4) 11 pts KO'd KO'd KO'd
9) R Gotham Undercover (4/4) 14 pts P-4
A) U Commissioner Gordon (5/5) 44 pts M-4 @

Total – 399 pts
Geo-Force: 1 SA
Gordon: 1SA, 1 AST
Katana: 1 SA


Map: Castle Doom
http://www.ianparmenter.com/hcutils/...304&u8=x-49y-1

HO: M-19, Geo-Force
LO: S-3, C-4, C-5,

BFC: Fearless Assault

Characters get +2 to their speed values when they begin move actions in their starting areas.

Balancing came into play as my turn started well and then flubbed horribly at the end.

Turn 4B

1) (Free) The Uranian taps into Geo-Force's mind, bombarding the Markovian with memories of the pain of the experiment which granted him his powers: The Uranian Perplexes Geo-Forces Defense -1.

2a) Pushing further into Geo-Force's mind, the Uranian's telepathy goes for mental manipulation as Bob whispers, "I'm sorry to make you relive this but it's for your own good...someday...or so I'm told." Mind Control (Ranged) against Geo-Force: 9 Attack vs 16 Defense (+1 Hindering and -1 Perplex). The roll is 3 + 6 = 9 and succeeds. [1 SA to Uranian]

2b) (Mind Control) Geo-Force takes the mass of rock he's been wielding and lashes out at Halo, believing Gabby to be Deathstroke: Geo-Force makes a Close Combat Attack (w/HO) against Halo; Attack 8 vs Defense 15. The roll is 3 + 5 = 8 and Halo takes 4 for the KO and Brion cries out in triumph over his victory against Slade...until the image fades. The Uranian's guilt eats at him, causing 1 Push click. [1 KO to Uranian]

3) "Heh. This is funny." laughs Gorilla-Man as Bob's mental probes finally start to feed the Agents information on the Outsiders. "What?" asks Rex, "You so heat-stroked from the lava blast you're seeing dancing bananas 'cuz you don't have much else to laugh about." "Nah...just the fact we're both cursed to immortality in such lame ways." notes Ken who then launches into a surprising flurry of blows against the Element Man. (My roll submissions had 9 attack when it should have been 8 though that does not change results..apologies for that.) Shapechange is a 4 so attack is good to go. First Flurry: Attack 8 vs Defense 15 and the roll is 3 + 6 = 9, hitting for three. Second Flurry against Metamorpho is again Attack 8 vs Defense 15 (w/Toughness) and the roll is 6 + 2 = 8 for 3 - 1 (Toughness) = 2 damage. [2 SA's to Gorilla-Man]

4) M-11 attempts to electrocute Metamorpho but the Element Man changes into burning asphalt, resisting the shock. Shape Change is 3 and Close Combat Attack is Attack 10 vs Defense 14 with the roll being 1 + 2 = 3 for a miss. The gooey substance bogs down M-11 as Takedown gives an extra action token to the robot (no push due to Willpower).

5) (Free) "I know you guys expect me to appear all over the place but this is pushing it." notes Spidey as he goes to aid against Metamorpho. Spidey copies the MoE TA.

6) Spidey starts to head towards Rex but loses sight of him in a haze from Doom's lava walls. Instead he goes after Black Lightning but, exhausted, fails to lay hands on the opponent. Rex's Shape Change is 6 so Spidey MoE pushes to Lunge-Charge Black Lightning: Attack 9 vs Defense 15 and the roll is 3 + 1 = 4 for a miss and one more push click to Spider-Man.

7a) (Free) Herc tears up some of the bushes near him as Rip It Up gives him a Light Object for his next Move.

7b) (Free) Using Avengers TA, Hercules moves to Q-6.

*********************************

Assault On New Olympus (home)

1) V Hercules 83 pts (8/9) - @ Q-6 (hindering)
2) Spider-Man (E Spider-Girl)* 77 pts (4/7) - @@@@ Q-4
* Lunge 5 pts, Vault 3 pts
3) The Uranian (U Enchantress CT) 91 pts (6/7) - @@ R-7 (Hindering)
4) V Gorilla-Man 61 pts (2/8) - @ Q-7
5) V M-11 59 pts (8/8) - @@ O-8

Rip It Up 20 pts

Total – 399 pts
Spidey: 2 SA, 1 KO
Gorilla-Man: 3 SA, 1 AST
Hercules: 1 SA, 1 KO
M-11: 1 SA, 1 KO
The Uranian: 1 SA, 1 KO, 1 AST

vs

Outsiders (visitor)

1) LE Alfred Pennyworth (0/4) 34 pts KO'd KO'd KO'd
2) R Geo-Force (5/6) 71 pts O-4 @@ (Defense -1)
3) R Black Lightning (4/5) 48 pts Q-3 @
4) R Metamorpho (1/6) 46 pts P-7
* Takedown 6 pts
5) E Creeper* (6/6) 45 pts N-8 @
* Takedown 6 pts
6) R Halo (0/5) 37 pts KO'd KO'd KO'd
7) R Katana (0/5) 37 pts KO'd KO'd KO'd
8) R Gotham Policeman (0/4) 11 pts KO'd KO'd KO'd
9) R Gotham Undercover (4/4) 14 pts P-4
A) U Commissioner Gordon (5/5) 44 pts M-4 @

Total – 399 pts
Geo-Force: 1 SA
Gordon: 1SA, 1 AST
Katana: 1 SA


Map: Castle Doom
http://www.ianparmenter.com/hcutils/...&u8=x-311y-291

HO: M-19
LO: S-3, C-4, C-5, (Hercules via Rip It Up)

BFC: Fearless Assault

Characters get +2 to their speed values when they begin move actions in their starting areas.

5A

f) Metamorpho poisons Herc (toughness absorbs), GM, and M-11.

1) Metamorpho tries to BA with plasticity. Fails with a 1.

2) Gotham undercover tries to BA. Fails with a 1.

everyone else clears.

Assault On New Olympus (home)

1) V Hercules 83 pts (8/9) - @ Q-6 (hindering)
2) Spider-Man (E Spider-Girl)* 77 pts (4/7) - @@@@ Q-4
* Lunge 5 pts, Vault 3 pts
3) The Uranian (U Enchantress CT) 91 pts (6/7) - @@ R-7 (Hindering)
4) V Gorilla-Man 61 pts (1/8) - @ Q-7
5) V M-11 59 pts (7/8) - @@ O-8

Rip It Up 20 pts

Total – 399 pts
Spidey: 2 SA, 1 KO
Gorilla-Man: 3 SA, 1 AST
Hercules: 1 SA, 1 KO
M-11: 1 SA, 1 KO
The Uranian: 1 SA, 1 KO, 1 AST

vs

Outsiders (visitor)

1) LE Alfred Pennyworth (0/4) 34 pts KO'd KO'd KO'd
2) R Geo-Force (5/6) 71 pts O-4
3) R Black Lightning (4/5) 48 pts Q-3
4) R Metamorpho (1/6) 46 pts P-7 @
* Takedown 6 pts
5) E Creeper* (6/6) 45 pts N-8
* Takedown 6 pts
6) R Halo (0/5) 37 pts KO'd KO'd KO'd
7) R Katana (0/5) 37 pts KO'd KO'd KO'd
8) R Gotham Policeman (0/4) 11 pts KO'd KO'd KO'd
9) R Gotham Undercover (4/4) 14 pts P-4 @
A) U Commissioner Gordon (5/5) 44 pts N-4

Total – 399 pts
Geo-Force: 1 SA
Gordon: 1SA, 1 AST
Katana: 1 SA


Map: Castle Doom
http://www.ianparmenter.com/hcutils/...&u8=x-311y-291

HO: M-19
LO: S-3, C-4, C-5, (Hercules via Rip It Up)

BFC: Fearless Assault

Characters get +2 to their speed values when they begin move actions in their starting areas.

I can be on the computer for the next hour or two so I should be able to take a turn or two if you are around Rokk. I'm really sorry dude, I've been trying but I haven't been able to get online really. I should be able to get a couple turns in though if you get this in time.

Hahahah damn my whole team is KOd anyway! Hahahaha, ah well my fault, I should be able to be on more next round.

Sorry; I wasn't around for the Realms, myself, the last couple days. Putting up a move now.

Your team isn't KO'd yet - you still have Metamorpho, Creeper, Gordon, Geo-Force and Undercover - and my team is prime to be seriously damaged.