put Tombstone object to help Superman's defense up to 20 and put him in Hindering, making it 21. Thor will have to roll for 9 to attack him successfully.

if i was the player playing superman, i would WANT to get taken down 3 clicks...

i land on 12speed HSS, 10 attack SS, 5 damage. i then return the favor to thor.... he's not looking so good.

they are a good matchup, just because supes doesnt have the warrior ability like thor doesnt mean they messed up, this is a great rookie supes (and im not a supes fan)

All I want is a Superman with Indomitable or a trait that says he doesn't take pushing damage and then make him be so powerful that people whine and complain about him being broken. Heck, he can even be a chase for all I care. Is that too much to ask!?!?

...wait, didn't they already do that?

You're ASSUMING that Superman is either going to get in the first hit or Thor will get in the first swing and miss. Thor STILL has to roll a 6 to hit if he attacks first, and Superman STILL has to roll a 9 if he attacks first. Let's say Superman hits first (with or without an object...doesn't really matter, Thor will have either a 11 attack with a 4 DaV, or a 10 with a 3)...Thor can still use his range to hit Superman for 3 or 4...that will put Superman off of his Hypersonic clicks. He now has to push back onto them because there's no way Thor's going to attack so that he lands on a Hypersonic/Super Strength click again.

Also, I've never played Thor without a TKer...if Thor is TKed in with a Heavy Object, Superman is now down to:
#017 Superman
Team: Superman Ally
Range: 8
Points: 216
Keywords: Metropolis, Reporter, Trinity

11 9 17 5

11 9 17 4

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10 9 17 4

9 9 17 3

8 9 16 3

KO KO KO KO

KO KO KO KO

You can't do much with that...he's useless.

Also, we're debating who's better in a fight against each other, why not debate who's better on a TEAM? That's really the whole point here...who's more PLAYABLE?

If Thor gets a TK'er what does Superman get?

I thought the debate to this point is Thor on his own is better than Superman on his own?

So far it seems that it's pretty even.

I like the dial and think it's interesting and atleast no one is complaining it's broken.

I like the Dial.

Cripple a back up piece and Force thier main attacker to attack him, then Return the Favor, all while Zooming around the Board. Not to mention 2 target Superman Ally is Awesome to the max. I do think he should get 1 click of 11 mid dial, but that almost not important as with his High Def and Super Good Mobility it should be very hard to make good attacks against him.

conveniently there are other differences as well.

OotS Bats scares Thor, as does Question, Superman not so much.

How will Bizarro games work? Start Clark on his last click, give him a power action to, starting from the KO's, click until you pass the orange line?

I'm totally going to promote Bizzaro tourneys from now on!!!

I explicitly stated that Thor got the first hit in.
-J

1: If you have a figure that starts with Hypersonic Speed you generally can't complain about their playability. Because there's a good chance that there exists a character of similar point cost that does not have HSS. HSS always* wins.

2: Xplosion Iron Man is a VERY competitive piece. When I play him** all the other players at the venue (who generally run theme teams like Thor and a bunch of Valkyries) groan about how they are being set upon be the cheese

*usually

** With Trick Shot, TB to GL and a bunch of Hand Ninjas and U-Men.

This post is rep-able.

The dial is good for the points not broken for the points. It's all-around STELLAR game design. I have not been more pleased with game design since Armor Wars.

Everyone keeps making the Thor vs Superman comparison. My concern is Superman vs Street Thug. As it is, Supes needs a 6 or better to hit a stree thug, that is a 58.3% chance of missing. Now how often does Superman miss a comon thug in the comics????

Uh, no. If you need a 6 or better, you have a better than 50% chance of hitting someone.

Yeah, it's roughly 72% iirc.