I have to agree with these statements.

Wow dude, this kind of childish snarkiness is exactly why I hardly ever look at the rules forum anymore. It's like you hate answering people's questions. Maybe try to remember that people are on here because they love the game and want to play it correctly.

Answering questions like you're a five year old who is up an hour after his bedtime is not going to help bring people into this game.

I am just going to go back to assuming what is meant by THE most poorly worded rule book in board gaming, and hopefully for your sake (as your patience seems to be so easily tested) I won't be attending Gen-Con.

I would also like an answer to this one.

I don't know about this one I think he can, but then again I could be wrong.

Agreed. My initial thoughts on the wording were what SWTony posted (possibly from that exact thread on a different forum): that "within line of fire" and "clear line of fire" are different and that JJJ would be able to hit a Batman/Kabuki/natural Stealthed Spider-Man TA character.

After having the rewording on page 10 pointed out, my thoughts were, "why was this even reworded?". Yeah, it may take up less type or space in the rule book, but it's less clear than the old wording. "Clear line of fire" has, to me, always meant that the person would be able to be shot/targetted byt a power. "Line of fire" seemed to indicate that it doesn't need to be "clear" (that is, unblocked by Stealth). Coupled with the idea of JJJ simply being able to influence the public to hate Spidey, it seemed to amek sesne that he could nerf Spidey even if he was hiding. I mean, how many times has that happened in the comics?

So, the summary is that JJJ CAN NOT draw line of fire to someone who is in Stealth. While that may seem simple to newer players, rewordings like that are probably going to continue to lead to weird misunderstandings of the rules like this one.

Exactly.



@ everyone who thought my post was "threatening" or "snarky", I really don't know what to say to you. Seriously. Information was presented, the poster in question was to all appearances willfully ignoring said information, and I pointed out that if the conversation was basically futile if such information was ignored.

If you don't care for what I said, that's your choice, but to imply that what I said was at all spiteful or otherwise ill intentioned makes me question your posting motives. In my experience, people read into things what they want to read...

So, if Spider-Man is copying Batman Ally while occupying hindering terrain, JJJ moves to a square in which he would normally be able to see Spider-Man, but can't, the trait has no effect. But, what happens if Spider-Man moves from one hindering terrain square to another, but is in clear terrain during the move and JJJ has LOF to him during the move. Is he no longer able to use Batman Ally until the next action is declared? Did the brief move between hindering terrain squares neutralize his Spider-Man Ally TA?

Both this question and the PW related question are good, timing based exercises to consider... and what they both boil down to is exactly what does the "use" in JJJ's trait refer to: the act of using the Spidey TA to copy/maintain another TA OR to the use of the borrowed TA itself.


If the former, then any time JJJ can draw LOF to the Spidey character (say, mid-move, like your example), then the trait should activate.

If the latter, then JJJ would only be able to use his trait when the Spidey character actually uses the borrowed TA (like if it tries to use Ultimates to ignore hindering terrain or Mystics to damage an attacker).



I would think that it is the former, but an argument could be made for the latter. And even if it is the former, there may be exceptions to be made due to specific circumstances timing (e.g. stuff that happens mid-action). I guess we need to take this discussion further.

I really don't think this how it works.

Well normalview sort of answered the question and I guess I am wrong.

But then after reading it I got confused.

This would be my question too. Personally i think it would check at the end of the action but i have no idea. It probably would shut down the t/a because line of fire is always on

It's debatable.

Finally something we can all agree on LOL

Then how is it debatable???

exactly, cuz the deputies think it means the same thing regardless how often we got rulings on if the power doesn't exactly specify something then it is not needed for the power like all the LOF questions on Wizard Shazam, or Kid Zooms special,

JJJ's trait says nothing about drawing LOF to an actual character so therefore is not part of the power itself, the deputies can pull something out of the rulebook all they want but it doesn't change how the power actually works or how it was meant to, and i'd suggest errata but that would prove the deputies wrong and then where would we be lol

Um...so you're saying that getting the rulings from the rulebook is not the way to do things?!?!?!?

The rulebook says exactly what within line of fire means. Accept it or don't accept it. It's your choice. (EDIT: Just to be clear, though, not accepting it means that you'll be playing incorrectly.)

JJJ's power says that you must draw LoF to the figure with the TA.

OK I am going to quote something from the rulebook that you may have missed.


BN Rulebook, please turn to page 23
I think they are much more in tune with what the rulebook means then you think. Particularly since there rulings arent made in a vacuum.
They communicate with Norm who in turn communicates with Game Design. Who in turn has the final say on the interpretation of all things Sanctioned.