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If Morlun is on his 1st click, does he still put a tracking token on a hit target?
The question is, does it still count as healing and thus puts a tracking token on, even if you can't heal any further since your on your first click? Kinda like can you use support on a character that is on their 1st click?
That's a great question. If Morlun can't put a tracking token on enemy figs on his 1st click it makes him a lot less effective I think.
That's a great question. If Morlun can't put a tracking token on enemy figs on his 1st click it makes him a lot less effective I think.
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HEALING
Characters can have their damage healed through the use of powers like Regeneration, Steal Energy, and Support, as well as through other game effects. When a character is healed of damage, turn its combat dial counterclockwise a number of times equal to the damage healed. A character can’t heal beyond its starting line. A character with multiple starting lines can’t be healed beyond the starting line that it began with in a particular game.
I would think that the bolded text means, no you cannot heal when you are on your first click, no heal=no tracker.
I would think that the bolded text means, no you cannot heal when you are on your first click, no heal=no tracker.
Sorry but I don't think that's what it means. You can heal someone on their first click, if successful they just won't be healed of any damage. You can use steal energy on your first click, it just won't heal any damage.
STEAL ENERGY (NON-OPTIONAL) Each time an opposing character takes damage from
a close combat attack made by this character, heal this character of 1 damage.
doesn't mean you have to have any damage, and you can still 'heal' you just won't go past your starting click.
SUPPORT Give this character a power action and make an attack roll against an adjacent
target friendly character as though making a close combat attack. When using this power, neither
this character nor the target can be adjacent to an opposing character; ignore all combat value
modifiers for this attack. If the attack roll succeeds, roll a d6 and subtract 2 from the result,
minimum result 1. The target is healed of damage equal to the result.
STEAL ENERGY (NON-OPTIONAL) Each time an opposing character takes damage from
a close combat attack made by this character, heal this character of 1 damage.
doesn't mean you have to have any damage, and you can still 'heal' you just won't go past your starting click.
SUPPORT Give this character a power action and make an attack roll against an adjacent
target friendly character as though making a close combat attack. When using this power, neither
this character nor the target can be adjacent to an opposing character; ignore all combat value
modifiers for this attack. If the attack roll succeeds, roll a d6 and subtract 2 from the result,
minimum result 1. The target is healed of damage equal to the result.
same
No, you can use steal energy on your first click, but that doesn't mean that you can HEAL on your first click.
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HEALING
Characters can have their damage healed through the use of powers like Regeneration, Steal Energy, and Support, as well as through other game effects. When a character is healed of damage, turn its combat dial counterclockwise a number of times equal to the damage healed. A character can’t heal beyond its starting line. A character with multiple starting lines can’t be healed beyond the starting line that it began with in a particular game.
and from the glossary
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HEALING: Restoring health that has been reduced by damage by clicking the combat dial of a character in a counterclockwise direction.
If Morlun is on his first click, he is not restoring health that has been reduced or turning his dial in a counterclockwise direction. Thus, I say that no healing takes place, and therefore no tracking token is placed.
Quote : Originally Posted by Magnito
In other words, it's all Vlad's fault.
Quote : Originally Posted by Masenko
Though I'm pretty sure if we ever meet rl, you get a free junk shot on me.
Quote : Originally Posted by Thrumble Funk
Vlad is neither good nor evil. He is simply Legal.
morlun's trait gives him steal energy. quick question. if he hits a mystic, which goes first, the mystic feedback or the steal energy. i wanna say the mystic and then the steal energy. can a get an answer please. thanks folks! if you can steal energy after you take mystics, then morlun is the ultimate mystic TA killer. copy all you want, he's still gonna beat your face in! i love it!
I bet this kind of stuff comes up alot during play testing ... Who ever does that kind of stuff would probably know the answer to this. Though we have a great resource here in the form of our rules deputies to clear things up. He is going to be a mystic KILLER though your right about that.
That's a great question. If Morlun can't put a tracking token on enemy figs on his 1st click it makes him a lot less effective I think.
He could still hit a mystic, choose the mystic damage to resolve before his steal energy, take a click, then heal a click, and then put the tracking token on.
Quote : Originally Posted by Magnito
In other words, it's all Vlad's fault.
Quote : Originally Posted by Masenko
Though I'm pretty sure if we ever meet rl, you get a free junk shot on me.
Quote : Originally Posted by Thrumble Funk
Vlad is neither good nor evil. He is simply Legal.
Sorry but I don't think that's what it means. You can heal someone on their first click, if successful they just won't be healed of any damage. You can use steal energy on your first click, it just won't heal any damage.
Quote : Originally Posted by vlad3theimpaler
No, you can use steal energy on your first click, but that doesn't mean that you can HEAL on your first click.
and from the glossary
If Morlun is on his first click, he is not restoring health that has been reduced or turning his dial in a counterclockwise direction. Thus, I say that no healing takes place, and therefore no tracking token is placed.
vlad3theimpaler is correct. You cannot heal past your first click, and if you're not healing then you can't place a track token.
No, you can use steal energy on your first click, but that doesn't mean that you can HEAL on your first click.
and from the glossary
If Morlun is on his first click, he is not restoring health that has been reduced or turning his dial in a counterclockwise direction. Thus, I say that no healing takes place, and therefore no tracking token is placed.
I still think you can use steal energy and heal on your first click, it's just that will not heal past your first click.
I think it progresses this way:
1. Make an attack with steal energy
2. Attack hits, steal energy heals you one click
3. But Morlun is on his first click so he 'heals' because the power was active, however he will not heal past his first click
In other words if I were judging I would rule that Morlun can place a tracking token on his first click because I believe Morlun is using Steal Energy and is 'healed' but because it is his first click he won't heal past it.
I still think you can use steal energy and heal on your first click, it's just that will not heal past your first click.
I think it progresses this way:
1. Make an attack with steal energy
2. Attack hits, steal energy heals you one click
3. But Morlun is on his first click so he 'heals' because the power was active, however he will not heal past his first click
In other words if I were judging I would rule that Morlun can place a tracking token on his first click because I believe Morlun is using Steal Energy and is 'healed' but because it is his first click he won't heal past it.
We seem to be at an impasse. I'm going to to ask for some orange insight.
Quote : Originally Posted by Magnito
In other words, it's all Vlad's fault.
Quote : Originally Posted by Masenko
Though I'm pretty sure if we ever meet rl, you get a free junk shot on me.
Quote : Originally Posted by Thrumble Funk
Vlad is neither good nor evil. He is simply Legal.
Nothing is being restored.
There has been no damage.
The combat dial is not turning in a counter-clockwise direction.
I don't see how there is a question. There is clearly no healing occurring.
If there's no healing, Morlun has not been healed.
If Morlun has not been healed, no tracking token is placed.
I can certainly understand this viewpoint, I interpreted before as Morlun is being healed it's just that healing him on his first click leads to no net healing not because he isn't being healed (because a close combat attack using steal energy heals him) but because his first click cannot be healed onto any other click. But I see now that this is not the case, and it's too bad it makes Morlun a lot less playable I don't want to phone booth an 8 click life 11 atk 18 imp 4 dam 180 pt fig.
I'm sure anyone can understand what I mean regarding healing. After all you can use Support targeting a fig on their first click. So the healing can land and take place, however the net heal on the target will just be 0 because they can't heal past their first click.