Technically, nothing prevents it, no.


However, I would never allow such a thing at my venue. Only game effects that specifically say that they can modify a rolled die (like Opportunist) should be allowed to do so... anything else just seems underhanded to me.

Supposedly WK tried to do that for the Indy set back in the day, but McFarlane wouldn't cooperate.

So, basically it's a no-go. lol



Sweet, Todd.

And Saint Walker.

Underhanded? Who's to say Bane wasn't designed with this intent? Frankly, it's what makes him really worth a 140 point investment. And really, it isn't much different in concept from Saint Walker's effect; it is a larger effect by far, I'll admit, but it only works for the one figure, rather than all friendlies in a 6 square radius.

However, I'm glad I stumbled on this and found Questions's comments about Probability Control. If I end up using Bane in the future, I'll keep that in mind.

so as a rules deputy you say its perfectly legal to use the power after the dice are rolled, but as a judge your going to break the rules?

Is this power getting discussed in the secret rules forum so we can get a better understanding of how the power should work, or are we on our own on this one?

all you want. Judges can make whatever rulings they want; that is the way I will rule it at my venue. Just like I don't particularly care for Highlander style of play, but I accept it if that is the rule at a venue I visit. If you don't care for that particular ruling, then I might suggest you don't play Bane at my venue

Actually I like the ruling (yours as a judge, not as a rules dep), what I take issue with is a Rules Deputy saying this is how its supposed to be played, however I don't like it that way so I am going to do something else. It makes it seem like any ruling a deputy makes on the site is just opinion and can be ignored at any time. This ends up watering down the decisions made in this forum and creates more arguments at venues when one person says this is how it was ruled, and the other person says yeah but such and such rules deputy said the ruling sucked and he wouldn't follow it. It basically defeats the purpose of having these rulings in the first place.

Then what you REALLY have issues with is the fact that house rules can exist. There is nothing at all preventing a judge from completely disregarding every single rule in the book, if that's what they choose to do.


However, I think we have a very useful purpose. Not only do we help answer questions regarding rules in the general sense (which lets players know how things will go down in the absence of house rules, which frankly, I don't really use and I bet most other venues also don't), but it gives you a definite answer regarding what is excepted at official events like GenCon. If those doesn't serve a purpose, then I don't really know what does.

as I clearly stated above I agree with your house rule, so by extension I don't have a problem with house rules. I think you contradict your useful purpose by saying if you don't agree with a ruling you will change it at your venue. Thats like a cop pulling you over for speeding and saying I know I'm giving you a ticket, but I speed all the time. As a rules deputy you are the people that the community looks to for guidance on how a rule works and should work. Therefor you should at least look as if you follow your own rules. What you do at your venues is your choice but I think its bad form to come on here in your official capacity and say this is how the rule/special power/trait/etc works, however I don't agree with it so I will house rule it.

And that's your opinion and you're welcome to it... just like I am welcome to my opinion.

but this is the internet, the only opinion your entitled to is mine

j/k I can agree to disagree.

From what I understand he wanted articulation and a cloth cape.

Wizkids couldn't do it without it being cost prohibitive.

Is there anything stopping him from just turning the power off to negate any damage? Special powers are still optional, right?

If you use the power, the damage is a consequence of using that power. Simply turning the power off prior to the end of the turn does not negate the fact that the character did in fact use the power.

Even if you cancel it on your opponent's turn, if your opponent Mind Controls Bane, the power will reactivate for the MC and your opponent will be able to use it.

From the Player's Guide:

As Harpua pointed out, the thread you referenced, and his old answer, predate the current rulebook. What he said here is what stands, as it is based on the current wording of BCF. Declare the action, declare BCF, make the attack, and then make a final decision whether or not to roll BCF or use the printed damage.