Ok, sorry, misunderstood how EE worked.

Darn it, I hate this game. "What is X would take 3 damage now, and 2 unavoidable after the attack for the MC. E would take 3 and 3 unavoidable. T(left) would take 1 damage and both T(right) will take 2 damage?" or would it be "How do I phrase as a question the statement: X would take 3 damage now, and 2 unavoidable after the attack for the MC. E would take 3 and 3 unavoidable. T(left) would take 1 damage and both T(right) will take 2 damage?"

Ahhh, that explains why it says 5 points on this site and 8 on herclix.com.
Of course, I went with heroclix.com's 8 pointer and accommodated for such.
I have also replaced Black Adam with Dr. Doom since he is also wild-card and plan to swap the Mystics idea for the SHIELD TA. Bullseye and Dr. Doom at 11 range. Then my doombot at 9 range. WOOOOT. Not to mention the 2 doombots can take an action of their own to add 1 dmg to Doom and Bulls. Still have a few points left over.

Since these posts, the Titans TA has been changed to be worded identically to the X-Men TA (except, you know, for "titans" and "x-men"). So, can Cypher no longer copy Titans because it is mechanically the same as his X-Men TA?

When these team abilities become official, Cypher would not be allowed to use Titans team ability since they are exact same mechanic now.

The revised TAs are on the HeroClix site. Would they be official now, or was their a specific launch date when they go live? I haven't been doing a good job of keeping up with these things, lately.

Since they did not release with a set, I don't believe they would be legal until they are in the Player's Guide.

I remember them releasing rules before with an active date, where these do not have any.

I've done it, copying off of Ghost Widow, but never with Damage Shield... I also spent like 15-20 bucks for Clint Barton with T-bolt kw and Spidey TA. Great investment, huh...

I remember seeing it change a while back. How it is now puts it on my list-of-rulings-i-really-don't-like.

I agree, clarification would be nice. I get how it works now, but I don't neccesarily agree with it, myself.

Nevermind.

You switched out Black Adam for Doom? Such wisdom in one so new to our site...

Okay, so reading through all this, why wouldn't Kid Zoom's power nerf Bart Allen's power? It's worded the exact same way as HSS so it should be an "identical mechanic", shouldn't it? Why is that the one exception?

A DIFFERENT KIND OF SPEEDSTER: Give Bart Allen a power action and move him up to his speed value. He ignores opposing characters and hindering terrain for movement purposes. He can then make one close combat attack as a free action, and then move him up to the remainder of his speed value. This power can't be countered.

I'm supposing because KZ: Other characters can't use Hypersonic Speed.

doesn't have anything at all to do with "A different kind of speedster."

It's an identical mechanic but Kid Zoom is not looking for the mechanic just the name of the power. If a character comes out with a special power and labels it Hypersonic Speed, Kid Zoom will stop it no matter what it says.

That's too bad, this old Jedi can teach many a young padawan many mind tricks.

That's because I've been replaced with a Skrull.

?You are picking and choosing what to read and get out of this thread. Kid Zoom does not stop Bart Allen because he is not using "Hypersonic Speed", he is using a "Different Kind of Speedster" which while mechanically is the same as Hypersonic, is NOT actually Hypersonic.

It is like saying a gas engine cannot run when empty, but an electric car can. Same engine mechanic, different power source, therefore different type of engines...or something. Maybe a bad analogy.