I agree with this interpretation here.

It doesn't matter if Metron can only use one of the powers per turn. He can use any of the powers. Since IB can copy any powers that Metron can use, IB will be able to copy all 3 powers, and not have the once per turn restriction, nor be limited to only copying one power.

That is not true. The questions are entirely independent. Answering one of the questions does not alter the initial situation.

If Mobius Chair read as "Once per turn, choose one of the following powers: Leadership, Perplex, or Support. This character can use that power until the beginning of your next turn," then it would behave in the manner you describe. However, it does not read like that.

But what the power says is very much like your hypothetical version. Yours is just worded better.

My main point is basically hanging on the word "one". As the power says that Metron can use only one of the powers, then he clearly can't use all of the powers.

agreed if it was worded like the B&B GL&Flash Then I'd think differently.

TWO-MAN JUSTICE LEAGUE : Once during your turn, as a free action you may choose a standard damage power that no other character on your force currently possesses or can use. The Flash and Green Lantern can use that power until the beginning of your next turn.

The Argument is that since Big Figure uses Perplex, that he would no longer be a figure that can use Outwit. If that were the case he would not be allowed to use Brilliant Tactician. Since he is a figure that is still able to use outwit he does meet the prerequisite, even if he cannot use it that turn.

This is the same as Metron and In-Betweener. Metron is a figure that can use all three powers, and if he chooses one he would still meet the prerequisites for any feats utilizing the other powers. Since he is still a figure that can use those powers to meet Prerequisites for feats that means that all the powers are still available for other characters to utilize as well.

I'm going to try to visualize both of the sides of the argument, for both sides and if someone else pops in here.

Argument 1: Metron can use all the powers until he has used one power, after which he can only use that one power.
If we imagine that Metron has a whacky dial that has several damage slots, then his damage slot would originally look like this:
Perplex
Support
Leadership
Then after he activated one of the powers (let's say Perplex), his whacky dial would look like:
Perplex

Argument 2: Metron can use only the one chosen power.
In this case before Metron has made a choice his damage slot would look like this:
?????????????????
Then after he made a choice of which power to use (let's say Perplex again), it would look like this:
Perplex

You know, now I'm confused, because at least with the earlier rules Metron actually did lose the pre-req for feats if he chose a "wrong" power. There was a time when he lost Contingency Plan tokens if he chose something besides Leadership. And they changed CP to allow the tokens to stay.

I didn't see any orange posts after #11, but I stopped reading since there seemed to be much debate.

aa050 U Metron
Team: Quintessence
Range: 8
Points: 195
Keywords: New Gods, Scientist

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(Attack) The Price of Knowledge: Metron can use Quake, Psychic Blast, and Pulse Wave. Immediately after the resolution of an action in which Metron uses any of these powers, roll a d6; on a result of 1 or 2, deal Metron 1 unavoidable damage.
(Damage) Mobius Chair: Metron can use Outwit and Probability Control. Once per turn, Metron can use one of the following powers: Leadership, Perplex, or Support.


On clicks 1-3, the standard powers that Metron can use are:
Phasing
Quake
Psychic Blast
Pulse Wave
Impervious
Outwit
Probability Control
Leadership
Perplex
Support

On clicks 4-7, the standard powers that Metron can use are:
Phasing
Quake
Psychic Blast
Pulse Wave
Super Senses
Outwit
Probability Control
Leadership
Perplex
Support


If In-Betweener uses his POA on Metron, he gets everything listed above, based on whatever click Metron is currently showing.


The "once per turn" is not an issue here. Even if Metron has used one of those powers, he is still a figure that can use those powers. He just can't activate them.

The difference is in the timing. The way I worded the power, none of the three can be used until one is chosen. Once one is chosen, neither of the others can be used.

The way Mobius Chair is actually worded, all three can be used until one has been used.

My problem isn't with the "once per turn". It is with the "Metron can use one of the following powers".

How can he use all the powers, if his special power says that he can use only one of the powers?

I don't have time to do a search at the moment, sorry, but this argument has been hashed out previously, so I definitely know what I said above is correct. I think the discussion was with Metron and Contingency Plan as well as perhaps Big Figure and Brilliant Tactician. That should help with a search if someone wants to try.

But thats the thing the "Metron can use one" is part of his special. Not a standard. So In-Betweener does not gain that part, only the powers he can use.

It's probably the thread that MisterId already linked to this one. It was mostly you and normalview going back and forth and it finished with a message from the GD that characters like Big Figure are eligibile to use BT.

Yes, but the special power allows him to use only one standard power at a time. If he can't use the other two, then IB shouldn't be able to copy them.

But now that we have orange confirmation, I'm willing to drop this. I just think that there is something slightly wrong here with the wordings and their interaction. And since I am a programmer by profession, I take even small bugs seriously.

I haven't looked at his.

Is it this one? (Sounds like it)



If you look in the thread to which I just linked. You will see that activating one power does not mean that he is no longer able to use the other powers, from the standpoint of what it means in this game to be considered a figure that can use a power.

Yeah that's the same link I posted earlier.