So you go to them, then. It takes two to turtle.

In both games with the Gamma Bomb, my opponent set it up so that its blast would include my starting area... since I was already in the danger zone, I moved up (quickly but cautiously and mindful of terrain and LOF) left some characters in the back to try to roll for the Bomb and the rest moved to engage the opponent. My opponents' could have both chosen to remain in their starting areas, but quickly recognized I was going to come get them. So they started moving out, too, to try and take more favorable advantage of the terrain, too.


I ain't saying Gamma Bombs won't go off. If I hadn't had so many characters on my team, I couldn't have kept rolling and adding to the dial like I did. But I have yet to see the Gamma Bomb be the death knell of a team: if you see it on your map, you adjust. Just like you do for any other potentially damaging build/strategy that is plopped down in front of your team.

That guy should have eaten the damage then used another object to heal up since it sounds like it was going to go off on his turn.

I personally don't use the bomb to take out characters or to force someone from the start zone unless I'm facing Prof X or The Wizard Shazam. I use it to take out terrain that is a hindrance to me. PS Magneto loves the bomb

As for the topic at hand. I would let the players know after about 4-5 turns of passing that if they both pass again shock the turtle will be put into effect.

The all Cyborg team sound like something Gregg would play, but I think he already has some Tactics ships. I always miss fun stuff when I'm not there.
Why? If they both want to pass, let them. Unless for some reason time is of the essence, I can't think of a good reason why you should impose shock the turtle on your players mid-game. And if it IS a time issue, it should be know before the match starts, so players should be aware of it before that point anyway.

I would simply let them go to time... One is going to have a win with 0 points, but they both let it happen.

Vlad for my guys they do know that time is always an issue. We literally close the shop on Sundays. They stay open only for as long as it takes us to finish the event and it is common knowledge among the players. I should have placed that disclaimer in the original post.

Then my next question is, do you enforce the shock the turtle rule on all games that go past a certain time limit?

It's alright, we went to finals. They didn't.

Yes, but unless it was clear that the judge was going to rule in that way it is completely unfair to those players.

If your going to rule that a game with where both players have 0 points a loss for both players then it needs to be a house rule.

I'm the one who ruled it that way, and its not a house rule and doesnt need to be one. I went to the rulebook on how to rule on a tie, since I didnt think we had ever had one before at our venue. On page 15 of the May 2011 book, it says that if their is a tie in victory points (NOTHING WAS TAKEN OUT SO IT ENDED 0-0), all players roll 2d6 and the one with the highest dice roll wins the game.

Clixkilla and his partner both had low rolls with I think a 6 or 7 as their best. The father/son team both rolled an 11. They got the win with 0 points and the other team got the lost with 0 points.

In the end it did not matter, since Clixkilla and his partner did go to the finals where they lost. It was there only real loss of the day.

Just in case you didn't notice, the statement you replied to stated it had been ruled a 0-0 LOSS for both sides, which was erroneous. Thanks for supplying that much-needed clarification.

I believe we once had an effect that was tremendous against turtling and passing :

Nuff said

That's the Malice BFC.

You may recall that when that first came out, it actually ENCOURAGED turtling. It was released when themed teams could ignore a BFC instead of canceling it. The result is that I could play Malice and ignore it. This meant that I could hunker down in the corner and not get pinged, but you were getting pinged until you made it over to the map and entered my ambush to attack me.


In the end, though, there is but one truth. There is NEVER a case where only one person turtles.

Yep. Made tentpole teams all but unplayable.

Yep, this. If you're turtling, I'm going to set up my pieces, get everything in order, and then aggro the hell out of you.

It is nowhere near a viable tactic. If your not moving your pieces or attacking and just sitting there you are not playing the game

And if I'm doing that and you are not coming in to get me then you are also not, by your definition, playing the game.

And no, simply dancing around simply for the sake of taking an action is not "playing the game" nor does it allow one to take some moral highground and say "I was doing stuff out here while he was not taking actions in there."

BOTH people at that point have elected not to engage the other person.