If something is no longer a part of the game, as it says when a character is defeated(above), it can no longer influence the game.

I'm sorry, I don't see the logic in something dead somehow still influencing the game at all. Abilities used during the game though, like the Dormammu of +1 to all combat values should continue for the rest of the game because it stats no duration, but his "Friendly characters ignore damage dealt by mystics team ability" should end when he leaves play.

How are you differentiating between the two of them, using the rules? It appears you are just stating how you think things should work. That is not what this forum is for. If you want to state your opinion, then make sure to mark it as such.

This is the Rules of Combat forum. All logic must be checked at the door.

Why do people think that something like Thanos' anti-healing acts in perpetuity but they don't think that if I ever show Invulnerability that I suddenly start reducing all damage by 2 even after the power is gone?

OMG Invulnerability lasts forever?

I actually had to look that word up. lol!

So...it doesn't right...

Everyone thought stuff ended when it seemed natural to end.

Then Galactus came along, and forced a ripple in reality. Now everyone has to re-asses what they thought they knew, even in most cases where it's totally unnecessary to do so.

I feel confident that the Future Foundation Alt-TA Trait stops when Reed is KOed [and his buddies would heal]. I was told on here that this isn't the case, on account of this lingering effects mumbo-jumbo. I remain unconvinced, but I haven't seen anyone come along with a definitive answer one way or the other as to how to bang out these goofy duration-free things.

And we continue to take this to its logical conclusion. Oh wait, but we had to check logic at the door!

I would think the question of Thanos' trait being in effect after he is KO'd is valid when other characters continue to effect the game after they are KO'd, even though the effect in question does not specify that.

Granted, I am just going off of what other have said here. Maybe those rulings do not exist (the Dormammu one does though).

I ruled no on Dormammu at DexCon (iirc).

Out of curiosity, aside from Thanos, Dormammu, and Reed, who else do people think have effects that last forever without spelling that out the way Sabretooth does?

Galactus' hearld buffs is the only other one I can think of off hand.


And actually, Sabretooth just says it persists if the power is countered or lost. It does not specify that the effect continues if he is KO'd. This is the same wording in the rulebook that people are using to support Thanos' trait, Reed's trait, and Dormammu's power.

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Actually, Sabretooth's power does say for the rest of the game. I forgot that part. Still, the implication then is that "countered or lost" is the same thing as KO, and that is where we are running into trouble.

I think it was mentioned earlier that galactus's herald retains the +1 and power cosmic t/a even if galactus gets ko'd.

I don't have the card in front of me but does it specify that the herald keeps his bonuses?

"turns to previous page"

Baron Zemo, "thunderbolt gambit" trait. Since it states "when you build your force" it would continue after Zemo dies, correct?

Mr. Sinister "create new marauders" says "as you reveal your force" which would end when he dies.

edit: The <Mr.Sinister> ruling would be exactly like Galactus, both start with the "as you reveal your force" in the wording

Yeah, Sabretooth and Galactic Wolverine both have "for the rest of the game, even if this power is countered or lost." Which is great, but... what if Wolverine or Sabretooth are KOed? Has that been clearly stated anywhere?

Basically, the On the board/off the board, who does what to who and when needs to be charted and graphed and decided upon definitively.

If they are KOed, the power is definitely lost.

QFT !
Bolded the part i strongly agree with.

In addition, we need official ruling from the Oranges on that matter. Please, something clear and definitive (but well-considered)

Things with that may last after they are lost: Lord Mar-Vell, general powers/abilities like Willpower/Invulnerability/etc, Dormammu, Galactus, Reed Richards (Future Foundation), Baron Zemo, Mr. Sinister, Stryfe, Thanos, Champion, Sabretooth, and Aquaman (Flood the land in revenge). There may be more, but that's everything I can think of.

Excluding that blanket statement you gave, I noticed you said Dormammu, Thanos, and general powers end when they are lost/the figure is KOed. If you wish to clarify these others, or just say they all end when the character is defeated (INCLUDING Sabretooth and Aquaman!) that would be much appreciated, as this matter would be very nice to clear up. Thanks Harpua and Quebbster!