OK, Ive now had a chance to look at the TV List, and here are my thoughts (on those Im familair with anyway):

1940s Batman (LW) - Is this character REALLY needed on the list at all?
Wonder Twins Zann and Jayna (MW) - Personally, Im not a fan of two characters being a single slot.
Krista Starr and Chase (MW) - See above
Croup and Vandemar (MW) - See above
Tara Maclay (MW) - I dont see her as a MW, shes not a fighter by any stretch.
Superpowered Warren Meers (HW) - I agree with Mags on this
Wonder Woman (2011) (HW) - See above

Unfortunately most of the later TV guys are from shows I just dont know, have never seen, and know nothing about.

Your knowledge of Chuck has severe holes in it. For the first two seasons the intersect only gave him information. At the end of season 2 he gains the intersect 2.0, which gives him access to almost any skill you can think of. Once that happens, he almost never loses. In fact, I'm having a hard time thinking of when Chuck ever lost a fight once he had the intersect 2.0.

Taskmaster would be a MW. Kat is not. Tasky has a lot more skilled fighters to crib moves off of, and he has spent a great deal of time studying video of numerous heroes and villains. He's got years of experience on Kat, and none of the memory trouble. My problem with Kat is that she just isn't experienced enough. Her power gives her the potential to one day be a MW, but for now she hasn't learned enough. We have not seen her exhibit MW level power. She's had what, one fight that we've seen? Not counting her curbstomp of the sleezebag drug dealer.

Chuck takes down rooms full of baddies, on his own, on a regular basis. Faced with the same odds, I'm betting Kat loses. There are too many holes in her knowledge.

Remember the list is more of a suggestion list and not an official list. Regarding the duo listings, hey I say we should try out something new and where better than the TV TOC to try it out at? What better way to meet higher levels of a division than by compensating power for numbers? And I think a duo shouldn't be too much for the MW division. Besides Wonder Twins can only work as a duo, Croup and Vandemar was suggested last TOC as a duo and I like Krista and Chase.

Is she any less of a fighter than HW Willow? They both share nervous personalities.

Hey if you want HWs and SHWs that earn their rankings, you're going to have to include amped up versions of characters, vehicles and/or numbers. Going by standard one person at normal levels thinking is going to leave us with a lot less options.

Okay I must have seen some of the early season Chuck then cause all videos I saw always came off as the dynamic of Sarah = hand to hand, Casey = guns and Chuck = brains. Had to look it up and saw more of what you're talking about regarding Chuck's fight skills. So yeah I see his MW ranking now. I thought it was primarily knowledge cause no one ever posted any of his fights and the only mention to his fight skills was something that supposedly happened off screen. So I was a bit confused by Chuck's fighting praise when reading the last TOC.

As for Kat, I recall the ranking I first gave her was more due to the rankings of both Cameron and Bill. It's hard for me to picture them with MW rankings, but her with a LW ranking.

That's cool though remember the list is subject to change since the TOC hasn't begun yet and nothing has been official yet.

Sure I'll add your picks. Also throwing those two Land of the Lost characters I've mentioned earlier as well as Cassie Blake from Secret Circle all in the same division. Probably the only witch she can beat on that list of mine is Amy Madison, but hey never said Cassie was a good HW. Scarface and Cy could probably rip numerous SHWs from the last list a new one, but I'll leave them there for now and see what people have to say.

Yes, she is a much less capable fighter than Willow. Willow put the hurt to Glory, and that was before going full dark.


Chuck with the Intersect 2.0 is comparable to a nerdy Batman with his assortment of skills, intelligence, and foreknowledge of the contenders.

I look at Bill, Kat, and Cameron as rock, paper, scissors. Bill beats Cameron, Cameron beats Kat, Kat beats Bill. But a rock and scissors can both beat a duck, and paper can't. While Kat has specific skills that allow her to defeat Bill, they won't fair nearly so well vs everyone, whereas Bill's strength, and Cameron's agility pose a threat to everyone. Kat specifically studied to beat Bill. She won't have that advantage in her various matches. Batman is a MW, but can defeat HWs with preparation, or when he has a plan. Likewise, Kat is a LW who is capable of stepping beyond her weight class.

Willow absorbed dark magic in preparation for her fight with Glory. It's the reason why her eyes were black and why Willow got so weak later in that same fight, because she already drained up all her power reserves. She would do this again in season 6 to a more extreme extent and we all know what happened there. Besides if you haven't noticed, Willow is listed a whole league above Tara.

Besides that incident, I recall a few others for Tara like the hospital fight where Tara and Willow double teamed Glory to teleport her away. I remember Tara was the hero when Buffy went all crazy thinking her life as a slayer was a mental hallucination. Also wasn't Tara the one who taught Willow magic when Willow was first starting out? Trying to remember more, but haven't seen S6 of Buffy or Tara's earlier episodes in a while.

Willow at her normal levels, her fighting mentality isn't any better than Tara's and needs the same crutch as Tara in battles. Which is having the team hold back the enemies for her while she has room and piece to cast her spells. Alot of times doing it in the safety of another room away from the action.

Do we know if Cameron can even beat Kat? Don't recall them ever coming close to tangoing. Did Kat studied to beat Bill? I recall they were randomly selected to fight at the cage match and Kat just recalled videos she watched to take down bigger opponents. I'm not sure if I fully agree with the Batman analogy. One requires a person to head back to their Batcave (usually after getting beaten up the first time around), the other just needs to have anything useful in their memory before it clears itself. Also Kat's ability is more useful in a team fight than either Bill's or Cameron's. So I say it should overall balance itself out.

I agree with everything you just said as well. We seem to be on the same page. I'd remove the double characters

And in case it wasn't clear Kat = LW for me. Really good LW, but LW none the less.

As for Tara, she did some minor tricks. There are better MWs available who can do what she can do, but I am okay with her on the list.

Two notes DTM (besides the comments I've already made)

Dalek is now listed as a HW and SHW. He should be removed from the SHW list.

Snow White's name is Mary-Margaret, not just "Mary"

It wasn't random. Kat knew who Bill would be fighting, even when she was training him. That's why she made sure to watch the video on how to beat a larger stronger opponent before the match.

And the problem with Kat is that she is super green. She would need a trip to the Batcave to brush up on how to beat opponents, because she has not studied a vast variety of ways to take down different types of foes. If she were Taskmaster, and had years of experience, she'd be a MW. But right now, she just doesn't have enough tools in her tool belt.

And team battles don't enter into the ranking of characters. If a character changes class level when with a team, they shouldn't be in a competition like this.

Well if Kat's a LW, I say both Bill and Cameron should be LWs too. There's no way they're a league above her and at least she doesn't run the risk of losing her powers midfight.

Keep in mind Taskmaster is from a TOC where the standards are higher. I'm sure there are a number of high level LWs in both the movie and comic rankings who would get a MW ranking in this TOC. Take a look at the terminators and Robocop. Both high level MWs in the movie TOC, yet their slightly less effective TV counterparts are HWs in this one.

What do you mean if a character level can change class in a team, they shouldn't be in this? We've seen in previous TOCs where characters get boosted, either from their teammates boosting them or they boosting their teammates, to higher levels. Heck in the current movie TOC, I could think of two characters who can single handily bump Bradley Cooper's character from LW into SHW class. A specific method is needed, but it can be done and quite easily too especially for someone like him.

No, Bill and Cam are MW. Not great MW, but clearly super human in ability

Both of which can lose their powers mid fight. Unless Bill fights a really stupid opponent with horrible durability and no evading skills, he's guaranteed to lose his powers mid fight. Cameron can do longer, but if he loses his cool and focus, he's a normal guy again too. And Taskmaster memory powers isn't super human, especially by TV standards? Really?

Thank you.

And when I say that if a character is raised to a new weight class by having team mates, they shouldn't be here, I don't mean that they shouldn't be here if they get raised by a certain combination of people. If they get a lucky draw and work really well with their team, fine. But if just by the sole fact that they have teammates raises them a class, regardless of who they are teamed with, they shouldn't be in a team ToC. Too big of an advantage.

The ToC's are characters at the top of their game. When Bill and Cameron are at their best, they are MW. When Kat is at her best, she is still just a very powerful LW. Cameron would own pretty much all of the LW bracket. Kat would not.