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It'd be funny to do that with a chase... the look on your opponent's smug face when he thinks "No way he has an unmodded Sinestro Batman .... buwahahah... WHAT?!?!?!"
Which is funny cause I played at Origins last year with my repainted White Lantern Hal Jordan (Painted him to be Orange Lantern) and not one person bothered to ask me to bring out my unmodded one.
I think a lot of people are just jumping to conclusions about how people act at the Cons and it is unwarranted.
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When I came on board as RA I brought with me a mission to meet the intent of a power/ability and a firm distaste for exploits or loopholes that circumvented the intention of a rule. That's where the Rules team comes in.
I think a lot of people are just jumping to conclusions about how people act at the Cons and it is unwarranted.
That was my point several posts above. I don't believe that this kind of action is seem frequently.
My other point is that someone who gets DQed for using a modded figure and blaming the opponent who got him DQed is like a drunk driver blaming the department of transportation for putting up the stop sign he ran.
"Yeah, I was drunk, but I wouldn't have run the stop sign if those jackholes at the DoT hadn't put a stop sign there."
It'd be funny to do that with a chase... the look on your opponent's smug face when he thinks "No way he has an unmodded Sinestro Batman .... buwahahah... WHAT?!?!?!"
Yep. Just a big ol' !@#$ you.
Sorry, I have an aversion toward folks who take the easy way out. Winning on a technicality is still a win, but one you had to put in exactly ZERO work in order to achieve.
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Which is funny cause I played at Origins last year with my repainted White Lantern Hal Jordan (Painted him to be Orange Lantern) and not one person bothered to ask me to bring out my unmodded one.
I wouldn't have either.
Longest-Reigning Drunken HeroClix Champion - anyone got a liver?
I've played with Modded figs almost as long as I've been playing Heroclix. I've had maybe 1 person ask me to replace the mod, and that was in the early days, and I can't even remember what the mod was.
From that point on, I've tried to bring a regular version just in case.
I've played a modded Judge Dredd figure very often, at many venues and events over the years, and I've never had anybody ask me to switch it out.
Usually, though, the mod is a very different character from the base, so you immediately know deception is the last thing on the mod players mind.
"Big whoop, I'm spooning a Barrett .50 cal. I could kill a building."
-Sterling Mallory Archer
"Alcohol may have been a factor."
We're overdue for Wizkids to make Joe on the Lawmaster and other 2000AD characters.
Quote : Originally Posted by tyroclix
This sack of garbage needed a remake as soon as the "designer" hit send:
Agreed. I swapped my Tab App sculpts with their Chaos War counterparts, and I can definitely see where one might be confused.
Yep, sure can. Again, win by playing the damn game.
Though I'd love nothing more than to have such a person call me on a custom, pull out the original figure, and say "Yeah, sorry, we'll have to have one of those pesky 'matches'. Terrible, I know."
1. Can and would!
2. It'd totally be my fault for allowing the opening. I'd have a changed opinion of the person in question, however, and wouldn't be terribly upset if I never had to interact with said person ever again.
Exactly!
Yes, it would be my fault for leaving an opening some dink could exploit, but that wouldn't make him not a dink when he does try to exploit it. (I usually bring the replacement even to my local games, but right now I just modded my Booster Gold SR. I don't have an extra yet, so if someone wanted to be like these "high level" players Harpua defends (while at the same time saying that people have the wrong idea about the Gencon players), they could call me out for an easy win towards Thomas Wayne or whatever LE is up for grabs. However, they have to deal with me again as I am local. At convention play when people are playing to win at all costs and may never play another game with their opponent, they could try and call me out because I painted the pants purple on my Hulk without a concern that they will need to live with the consequences of being "that guy."
Justice for Jimmy Olsen!! Superman's Pal needs to be clixed!
How can anyone claim that new paint jobs and touch-ups make a figure a custom when the official paint jobs on figures vary so wildly?
Quote : Originally Posted by Nuadha
They can because it is in the rules and they want the easy win at a high level tournament.
If it's not stock, it's custom. That said, the issue isn't so much "hey, I touched up the eyes on this figure" or "I added some highlights to that one", it's "I re-painted my Superman to be Ultraman" or "I put Armor Wars/Infinity Challenge Ultron sculpts on my Chaos War bases" or "I put a bunch of different animal figures on Beat Boy bases". That can be fun for you, and it looks cool. But it can also be confusing for your opponent during the game. And I think there's some self-deceit in saying "the guy who complains is just wanting an easy win". Regardless of intent you've added an extra element of confusion to the game and putting the onus on your opponent to suck it up and deal with it or be called a dink is patently unfair and frankly pretty selfish. If I call you on a custom it's not going to be because I want an easy win. It's going to be because I don't feel like accepting the additional effort of trying to remember which dial that non-standard figure is on in addition to everything else.
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
“No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife between the shoulder blades will seriously cramp his style.”
And I think there's some self-deceit in saying "the guy who complains is just wanting an easy win".
Eh, I don't, but I can't unilaterally forecast intent.
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Regardless of intent you've added an extra element of confusion to the game and putting the onus on your opponent to suck it up and deal with it or be called a dink is patently unfair and frankly pretty selfish.
Nah, it isn't. But, again, I can only go by what I'd do. And I'd never attempt to get someone disqualified for using a modded figure in most circumstances.
Now, if you're replacing your TabApp Wolverine sculpt with, say, a Juggernaut sculpt, I'd call foul on that. The character attached to the base is a decidedly close-combat character, and thus the range on the dial is a potentially potent bit of misrepresentation.
If you bust out your AVM Captain America and it's sculpt-swapped with another Captain America figure (say...CM Cap), I'm not going to call you out on it. Because I'd feel like (and be, in my eyes) an utter dink for doing so.
Plus, y'know...if I'm in a game tournament, I'd rather win the thing by playing the game I'm ostensibly there to play.
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If I call you on a custom it's not going to be because I want an easy win. It's going to be because I don't feel like accepting the additional effort of trying to remember which dial that non-standard figure is on in addition to everything else.
Eh, whatever. I'd be able to deal with it, so I would. ::shrugs::
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Also, anyone know how many DQ's there have been at GENCON in the last few years?
I've asked Adam about it and he said more DQs for not signing sheets then modded figures.
But he does know how many modded figs were asked to switched to non-modded.
@Thrumble: I can probably manage it, and probably will. My point is that calling me a dink because I don't choose to accept the extra stress of trying to keep track of your modded figures in addition to playing my side of the game is unfair. Why should the game be harder for me because you want to show off your cool customs? I don't assume you're trying to cheat, and I'm not trying to get you DQ'd. I'm more than happy to play the game and see who has the luck and skill today. I just don't want a headache from the extra "noise" you introduced. So I'm asking for that "noise" to be removed: I'm asking for you to play the standard figures like the rules say you should be prepared to do. If you're ill-prepared, that's not on me. And making me the bad guy for objecting is unreasonable.
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
“No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife between the shoulder blades will seriously cramp his style.”
@Thrumble: I can probably manage it, and probably will. My point is that calling me a dink because I don't choose to accept the extra stress of trying to keep track of your modded figures in addition to playing my side of the game is unfair.
I guess I just don't see it as "extra stress." Like, at all. You have a mod, you tell me what the dial is, I'll internalize it or jot it down on scrap paper to remember what it is, and we'll play. So long as you have the card, and I can view it to see what is on the dial presently, I'm filing it under "not an issue."
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Why should the game be harder for me because you want to show off your cool customs?
If the game would be legit harder for you, well...alright, I guess? It just wouldn't be for me.
Quote : Originally Posted by necrodog
I just don't want a headache from the extra "noise" you introduced. So I'm asking for that "noise" to be removed: I'm asking for you to play the standard figures like the rules say you should be prepared to do. If you're ill-prepared, that's not on me.
Nope, sure isn't.
That said, if I showed up and happened to forget my spare figure on the counter (which could happen to quite literally anyone, regardless of preparation, for a number of reasons), and you asked for my "noise" to be removed, thereby eliminating me from a tournament (one that, at that level, I spent an inordinate amount of money specifically to attend), yeah, I'd be pissed.
And while that would be "on me," I'd definitely have no desire to interact with you, play with you, or really attend the tournament at all in the future.
Something like that would flat-out OBLITERATE any feelings of happiness or excitement for me as regards that weekend.
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And making me the bad guy for objecting is unreasonable.
I'd say getting me chucked from a tournament because of a modded figure that I'd take pains to detail to you (hell, I'd probably just toss you the card for reference during the game) is unnecessary.
Longest-Reigning Drunken HeroClix Champion - anyone got a liver?
The example I gave that Owlman seemed to be responding to was painting Hulk's pants purple or touching up paint. To which he responded to saying he can't think someone could do that. To which my response is still the can because it is in the rules and if they objected to that, the only reason I can see is to try and score an easy win. I was not responding to a repaint of Superman as Ultraman (which since it can't be confused with another existing fig, I don't see any other reason to as well), or a figure swap (which I can understand someone being concerned about if the sculpt is exactly the same as an existing sculpt on another dial).
Justice for Jimmy Olsen!! Superman's Pal needs to be clixed!