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Why are things that should be talked about privately being addressed in this thread? Steveboo, if you have nothing nice to say then don't say it publicly because you just sound like and A*hole. I understand that a venue probably thinks about the success they would have as an ROC, but seriously? You just stated you won't do a 1k. What's to incentive "me" to fly out from California to participate in your event? Currently, nothing because your stating that my plane ticket will cost more than your prizing alone, which is bewildering. I know you don't know me, but understand this, if anything, "you need money to make money," that's a fact. And if you don't have it then prepare for a loss of profits or a lack of growth margin because your doing business wrong.
Maybe you should take some of your own advice. If you have a problem with what Stevebo wrote then pm him about it. Steve is bringing up legitimate questions and concerns regarding this event because he is running one of his own. He's not doing it to rain on someone else's parade and I think that's pretty clear. If have the same concerns he does if I were in his shoes. Sawn10 was nice enough to address Steve's questions and I hope it helped him out a little. The only one that looks and sounds like an A*hole here is you.
As far as you flying out from California for his event, please do everyone a favor and stay home. You're exactly the kind of player that I'm sure Steve doesn't want at his event and I'm sure he would gladly have one less person there in this instance.
Maybe you should take some of your own advice. If you have a problem with what Stevebo wrote then pm him about it. Steve is bringing up legitimate questions and concerns regarding this event because he is running one of his own. He's not doing it to rain on someone else's parade and I think that's pretty clear. If have the same concerns he does if I were in his shoes. Sawn10 was nice enough to address Steve's questions and I hope it helped him out a little. The only one that looks and sounds like an A*hole here is you.
As far as you flying out from California for his event, please do everyone a favor and stay home. You're exactly the kind of player that I'm sure Steve doesn't want at his event and I'm sure he would gladly have one less person there in this instance.
That's why you're my judge.
What some people don't get is that I'm putting my butt on the line by trying this. I talked my venue into it and if it turns out to be a Colossal failure that would be disastrous for everything I worked so hard for. What a lot of people don't get is that Heroclix was dead in Philly before I came along. My hard work and passion for the game brought it back. Sure it was in the suburbs but people in the city who don't drive had to take 45-60 minute bus rides.
My judge (above), I would take a 75 minute bus ride to Morrestown for his events. But once my work schedule made it impossible to play there anymore I did something about it. I found the venue I judge at now and busted my [you know] for the freedom I have now. I'm the only "outsider" (my word, not theirs) allowed to plan events and have a say in what goes on. I have that freedom because from the beginning I had my priorities in order as a judge. First, take care of the players. Second, take care of the store. Last, take care of me.
So once again, I am not a troll. Not a hater. I have concerns. I am a [insert letter]-hole though. But that was always. Not just because of this thread, lol. But seriously, before I have my venue drop 650 I'm going to make absolute sure it is something that will make them money. Because even though a Super-Q would be good for priority #1, #2 would suffer which would in turn stress me out making #3 a bust.... Definitely not good.
Now, if someone could kindly point me in the direction of the other two Super Q's, I definitely want to hear the turnout for those events as well.
What some people don't get is that I'm putting my butt on the line by trying this. I talked my venue into it and if it turns out to be a Colossal failure that would be disastrous for everything I worked so hard for. What a lot of people don't get is that Heroclix was dead in Philly before I came along. My hard work and passion for the game brought it back. Sure it was in the suburbs but people in the city who don't drive had to take 45-60 minute bus rides.
My judge (above), I would take a 75 minute bus ride to Morrestown for his events. But once my work schedule made it impossible to play there anymore I did something about it. I found the venue I judge at now and busted my [you know] for the freedom I have now. I'm the only "outsider" (my word, not theirs) allowed to plan events and have a say in what goes on. I have that freedom because from the beginning I had my priorities in order as a judge. First, take care of the players. Second, take care of the store. Last, take care of me.
So once again, I am not a troll. Not a hater. I have concerns. I am a [insert letter]-hole though. But that was always. Not just because of this thread, lol. But seriously, before I have my venue drop 650 I'm going to make absolute sure it is something that will make them money. Because even though a Super-Q would be good for priority #1, #2 would suffer which would in turn stress me out making #3 a bust.... Definitely not good.
Now, if someone could kindly point me in the direction of the other two Super Q's, I definitely want to hear the turnout for those events as well.
See, I didn't realize you weren't the owner. I get where you're coming from now.
One way to address your owner's concerns about profitability would be to have them consider this as a marketing expense. It may not bring in as much money as they had hoped the first time, but it creates an impression in the mind of the locals that this venue is THE venue for all things Heroclix.
I'll give you an example. I had been playing this game with friends for a few years before I ever dared set foot in a tournament. I eventually started enjoying a tourney here and there, but my attendance was sporadic at best. But then came a Majestix $1K "Trial." Of course this sparked curiosity. After finding out what it was, I participated, won free entry to the $1K and was impressed by the whole thing. I found a place that seemed to love the game as much as I did. So, naturally, I became a repeat customer. For the last two years, the Majestix store became my go-to destination for tournaments and product. I'm not the only one. Over the last 24 months, people have come and gone, but a player base remains because the venue is legit.
Holding a Super Qualifier can be seen as a money-making venture, but it should also be seen as a marketing opportunity to create buzz, enthusiasm, and excitement around your store. A successfully-run event will likely provide new customers and repeat customers alike even if it doesn't rake in the money right away.
Yeah because using the bat belt and infinity gauntlet were so much better. Who cares if they used a resource like the book of skulls. Resources are here to stay deal with it.
Quote : Originally Posted by TH0MAS5
So if you use a Team Base or the Utility Belt, Gauntlet, Power Plant then you are a "true player"?
But if you use the Book you aren't a "true player"?
What a really weird thing to say.
I wonder how many of the whiners walk to work (cars are a resource)
I don't think the appreciate that resources are the reason that we don't have a set meta like we did with Metron/Nightcrawler or Kid Zoom.
They have no appreciation for an additive that makes so many "fun" pieces actually competitive hence opening a whole new world of play.
I'll give you an example. I had been playing this game with friends for a few years before I ever dared set foot in a tournament. I eventually started enjoying a tourney here and there, but my attendance was sporadic at best. But then came a Majestix $1K "Trial." Of course this sparked curiosity. After finding out what it was, I participated, won free entry to the $1K and was impressed by the whole thing. I found a place that seemed to love the game as much as I did. So, naturally, I became a repeat customer. For the last two years, the Majestix store became my go-to destination for tournaments and product. I'm not the only one. Over the last 24 months, people have come and gone, but a player base remains because the venue is legit.
Holding a Super Qualifier can be seen as a money-making venture, but it should also be seen as a marketing opportunity to create buzz, enthusiasm, and excitement around your store. A successfully-run event will likely provide new customers and repeat customers alike even if it doesn't rake in the money right away.
You kind of hit one of the big things on my mind.
It appears the Majestix $1K held its own brand identity distinct from the ROC. In addition, the Majestix team provided a very significant amount of prizes themselves above and beyond what came with the ROC kit.
So here's the big question: How much value did the ROC add to this event? What did it contribute to justify the additional cost?
It appears the Majestix $1K held its own brand identity distinct from the ROC. In addition, the Majestix team provided a very significant amount of prizes themselves above and beyond what came with the ROC kit.
So here's the big question: How much value did the ROC add to this event? What did it contribute to justify the additional cost?
-J
Exposure.
Before the Realms and TCGplayer sponsorship, there was little talk of the results, winning teams, strategies, etc. outside of our group and the groups of those who attended. Now? Ryan is on the front page of HCRealms! How awesome is that? In addition, the Majestix logo is caught in many a picture, and the store's website where great coverage of the event is hosted is getting more traffic.
It appears the Majestix $1K held its own brand identity distinct from the ROC. In addition, the Majestix team provided a very significant amount of prizes themselves above and beyond what came with the ROC kit.
So here's the big question: How much value did the ROC add to this event? What did it contribute to justify the additional cost?
-J
This is a good question indeed. Did we really need the ROC since we were doing well before it? I can say, just from an attendance standpoint, we have increased a bit.
The added exposure on this site has brought awareness of our event like no other. Of course, I wrote articles hyping it and our threads were the most viewed out of almost any tournament thread I've seen since we had a lot of people posting, but the front page coverage for our event definitely helped. I think the idea of Dragoncon as a final prize appealed to a lot of people, too. This is the largest Clix-related site and I think that being on the front page of site such as this helps tremendously. We have always had prizing of this level since the our first event, so it's nothing new. The new thing is the $650 extra cost I do have to incur, but we are getting a lot things back in return (in addition to the prizing and whatnot), especially advertisement for our stores.
It makes me sad that a TB made it as far as it did. I was really hoping the innovative takes people took, albeit with the same resources would hammer through (see what I did there?) something pulled right out of a box.
It makes me sad that a TB made it as far as it did. I was really hoping the innovative takes people took, albeit with the same resources would hammer through something pulled right out of a box.
Yeah but looking thru the team lists, you can really see how play styles and the dice can make or break a match. The same team that went 6-0 (1st seed) for one player went 4-2 (10th seed) for another. I'm a little surprised that out of the list I saw there was only 2 TB's and no JL or Shi'ar. I am not a tourney guy so I am still trying to figure out how Mole Man/ Shuma didn't do better.