In case people in this thread don't know I'm part of the ROC board. I'm about to say something crazy here that I'm sure I'm going to regret but what do I have to lose, it is just a message board...gulp...

Get off CrimsonDynamo's back about not liking the ROC as it stands right now. CrimsonDynamo has a perfectly valid point that the prizes are currently very top loaded in their appeal. Heroclix players are used to playing for tournament legal Heroclix and that is valid to want. If two tournaments that are exactly alike are being run in your area and one offers Bat-Mite and the offers $100 to the champion, most players I have polled (and me) would rather play for the $50 Bat-Mite even if it is in their collection. The ROC can't offer figures without spending retail for those figures and it is a poor value for the ROC, venues, and players alike. In conversations with ROC people I call this the Bat-Mite problem.

Solving the Bat-Mite problem is something that is ongoing with the ROC team. It is unlikely that we will ever be offering loads of Con Exclusive figures again, but bringing value to the points beyond attending DragonCon is consuming hours of our time currently. Until plans are finalized I can't provide a preview but I wanted everyone who shares CrimsonDynamo's concerns to know that we understand your concern.

To be clear, I think that there is value in the ROC kits as they stand, but much of that value relies on the appeal of high level competition and attending DragonCon. I think that the future will see a middle ground being met where players interested in more can also see an appeal. This is basically year one of the ROC, somethings have gone bad, others have gone great but we are doing our best to always be improving.

I am basing success as 50 people. The ROC Super qualifier kit is listed accommodating 25 people, so that is what I would consider the bare minimum.

EDIT: Also, it is not hard to run a Qualifier or SQ. It is incredibly easy. If I wanted to I could just buy a kit. SO I don't think the fact that they are being run is any measure of success. As of right now we only have one instance where we know a store is bailing on the program. Who knows if that number will grow. You are right, time will tell.

ROC is no tactics. Does that mean things like Fantomex's E.V.A. token is not allowed?

How is it not an indication of success if venues are paying $ to run them?

If it was something free to run then that would make sense. It's easy to run in the sense you can sign up to run one - it still costs money.

So as far as short term success, how is it not a success if people are spending money to run them? I mean, really?

If you are arguing that they might not be successful in the long term because of the stuff you previously said I get that. But to dismiss people sending them money because it's easy to sign up for, that makes no sense man.

Your previous stuff makes sense to me if you are arguing the long term success, I don't agree, and neither of us will really know who is right for awhile. But as of right now people are spending $ on them, that can't be dismissed by saying "it's easy anyone can."

It may be a short term success for the ROC, but not necessarily for the venues. It has to be successful for both parties in order to succeed.

What I meant by its easy to run them is that it is easy for a store to put up the initial investment. So just because a lot of venues are putting up the initial capital does not mean the whole program is a success.

In theory (I am not accusing anyone of this) the ROC could sell a ton of kits, then disband and collect a nice payday.

So, to summarize, the program will be successful if it works out for the venues and the ROC/TGCplayer. Success for one party does not beget success for the other.

I agree. I'm just looking at it from a different perspective than you I guess. I feel like the ROC people are looking at the big picture, and the longer term, not the immediate. I feel like it's way too soon to make any sort of judgements. I don't even really want to say that the short term right now is good, it might not be. But it definitely can't be labeled a failure yet either.

It's all good discussion, and I believe the ROC is monitoring things. I believe it will end up being successful. I guess I just tire of seeing people say it's a failure or going to be one based off a couple of months worth of tourneys, so I guess that's why I chimed in.

Good discussion. Wish I had a dozen venues in this area!

Do you like playing Heroclix?

Do you have fun when you play?

Don't you want to support one of your local venues when they are putting on a big event?


You wouldn't travel 20 minutes because you can't get a big enough prize?

Wow.

I was playing at a different venue at the time.

Dude I still have my shirt, and hope to one day fit it again

I like my hat the most. I actually forgot my gift card lol. A buddy picked it up for me thank god. The map is really cool too. I was surprised by its quality.

How big is New Hampshire? I only ask because there isn't one of these events in Northern California, you know, the place with the fifth largest economy in the world. Not that I would play in it. I have no desire to go up against cheeeeeese of this magnitude. 2 50 point Enchantresses and a brother voodoo. That is the epitome of CHEEEEEEEEEESE. I'm sure it's a great team, but teams like that are what is wrong with our game today. Yeah, he didn't use any relics, but he might as well have with all that Nacho sauce.

Still got mine! I will never get rid of that. Any con exclusives I won? Gone.

Mine is now too big for me though.

I can see where CrimsonDynamo is coming from. If I had a championship calibre pool of 25+ players to play with on a regular basis only minutes from my house, an event like ROC may not be that enticing.

I think a good chunk of player's are in exactly the opposite scenario. Playing with 4-8 people a week and driving a good distance to get to their meager venue. These events provide a Con like atmosphere and provides people (like myself) a chance to play full days of fun and to us, playing is a prize. While I wouldn't mind con exclusives and such as prizes I can live without that.

Probs for Swabs says hi. You've been there! We have 50-60 people and it's yearly.

There are absolutely stores that can make a big event successful

Its very small, 45 min will get you across the state, but Mass on the other hand has a very large population which is right next door. Thanks for the team compliments btw! haha It wasn't too hard to come up with, but I did do a ton of play testing with it.