So since the Batcave grants Alfred and the Computer, No team except for only the 85 points?

So any chance we can get the Batcave in its entirety on the Watchlist so we can get definitive rulings for:

Seperate point values of: Alfred and Batcave for purpose of all point value based effects

If Alfred really stops the Bat Computers ability to attack once rest of the team is KO'd

If it really destroys theme teams (even Batman Family ones).

I know the last one has an answer which makes sense rules wise, but on the conceptual level I can't imagine the Batcave was made with the intent that at the very least Batman himself can't theme with it.

Lately, they've been making lots of things with the idea that you won't be able to theme with it, like Caped Crusader and Flocks of Bats. Or Mister Hyde and Cobra.

Theme is overrated.

The questions would be nice to have reviewed.

For tournament play sure, but some of us like the challenge of restricting themselves to theme and still beating all the power players. Personally I only play the Utility Belt in Batdamily characters or characters based around having a lot if special gadgets like Green Arrow (since there is no Quiver resource dial). It'd be nice to be able to add the cave to Batman's arsenal without losing my theme advantage that helps me beat all those power based teams.

Understood but Caped Crusader and two flock of bats breaks theme so... Batman family getting the shaft theme wise is old hat by now.

True but the bats aren't bats Batman personally made, breed, or even trained, they are wild bats that batman can get to a location using a sonic device that mimics their cry. It's not as if Batman actually has powers.

The Batcomputer was specifically built by Batman to his specification and is only accessible to Batman and his inner circle (unless Ra's hacks it), so the computer is much more like ToyMan's toys (which he specifically built), than they are random wild animals that batman can just happen to take advantage of.