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Please forgive me for literally missing 1 post during those 5 days
@A_B don't waste your breath on trolls. They can't fathom the fact that there are people who want to help the community. No I'm not calling Vlad a troll. I like and respect him
Please. You are a troll just like me. You are a rules troll, which is arguably worse because you like to pretend you are an authority.
Vlad's a grammar troll. He doesn't deny it, and I'm fine with it. Just stop denying your nature and come to the dark side.
Here's an exchange you had in another thread, trolling blubeard ( post #20, 25, & 28) about the rules about trading:
Anyhoo... back to the Entities... I really think that their 'when they would be ko'd' portion of the possession power is what will end up being problematic, assuming there is errata issued about elements that are removed from the game (although I still fail to see where that clarification was made in that e-mail exchange).
The strategy of wrecking house with the entity and letting them get transferred to a highly mobile figure to deny points seems pretty OP to me.
I'm pretty sure they will rule entities as being ko'd granting you the points for the kill then the additional 25 once you kill the possessed character. If judges have not been doing that already then it's their mistake. The main ruling I can't wait to see is if they would limit the number of entities on your force, just seeing that line up of parallax and ophidian possessors on a 300 point team made my jaw drop. I think if they don't limit 1 entity per team, at least be it 1 entity per 300 points. Something like that would be alright even. I doubt they would restrict entities to be part of only their corresponding corps, but I'd see them allowing them to only possess a friendły character who shares the corresponding corps keyword with them! Haha! Boy would people be mad or what?!
I'm pretty sure they will rule entities as being ko'd granting you the points for the kill then the additional 25 once you kill the possessed character. If judges have not been doing that already then it's their mistake.
I'm confused on how you came to this conclusion? Nothing on their card or any of the multiple emails I have read would lead me to think this is correct. Why would you score additional points for KO'ing an Entity once it possesses someone?
I can see why it could be ruled that they grant their points as soon as they would be KO'd, but I'm not clear why you think additional points should then be scored.
Can you please explain that to me so I can better understand your reasoning.
Quote : Originally Posted by dairoka
I'm pretty sure Dragon has the Future keyword and Probability Control.
Quote : Originally Posted by jonidschultz
Dragon is correct. Dragon is always correct. Never argue with a Dragon.
Is there a way to search in the units section for characters 'that would be KO'd'?
I'm just wondering if it's happened on figures of 250 points before. I know of Elektra, and maybe White King, but the ability to deny your opponent over 83% of the game's build total seems nuts.
That, and the other figures like this actually return to the board for a chance to kill them, instead of 'bunkering' in another character via Posession.
In order for an entity to be able to possess someone don't they have to pay the 25 points as part of the force to do so? Or does that only apply toward possessing someone at the start of the game? I know it states that if the entity is ko'd it can be placed on a friendly character for possess. If that's not the case then I suppose they wouldn't be able to score the additional 25.
Edit: nvm it states the reason when would be ko'd OR paid 25 points as part of your force.
Last edited by Somitierra; 06/29/2014 at 15:13..
Reason: Misunderstood ruling
Figures that can ressurect like Electra are completely understandable as far as their special abilities, because it's still the same character-dial-etc. whereas the entity itself is being placed off the field onto another character as an "enhancement" not an actual character.
All I'm saying is that you are being *very* liberal with your interpretation of what that e-mail said.
Did the rules team not say "An entity is KO'd when it is turned to a KO clickand removed from the game. Victory points are scored for the cost paid when adding it to the force during force construction." ?
No where did they say "You score points for the Entity when the Possessed is turned to a KO click." They said when the Entity is turned to a KO click.
How are you making that leap and preaching it as gospel?
If Parallax gets KO's, no points are scored and he possessed friendly figure (A) with 5 clicks of life.
Friendly figure (A) takes 6 clicks of damage and is KO'd. I turn Parallax's dial 6 clicks and there is no KO's on slot #6 on Parallax, so no points are scored since the Entity needs to show a KO click.
The underline is mine, and states it could be EITHER go to a KO click or removed from the game.
Anyhoo... back to the Entities... I really think that their 'when they would be ko'd' portion of the possession power is what will end up being problematic, assuming there is errata issued about elements that are removed from the game (although I still fail to see where that clarification was made in that e-mail exchange).
The strategy of wrecking house with the entity and letting them get transferred to a highly mobile figure to deny points seems pretty OP to me.
I'll disagree with the "troll" label. I may be a stickler for grammar, but if I wanted to troll people, there are a lot more posts I would be making.
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In other words, it's all Vlad's fault.
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Though I'm pretty sure if we ever meet rl, you get a free junk shot on me.
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Vlad is neither good nor evil. He is simply Legal.
There is not enough Rep in the world for this post!
Be careful though. Now that you've posted the email address even in a joking/moking fashion that means that you are now a troll and a wanna be Deputy...
Quote : Originally Posted by dairoka
I'm pretty sure Dragon has the Future keyword and Probability Control.
Quote : Originally Posted by jonidschultz
Dragon is correct. Dragon is always correct. Never argue with a Dragon.
There is not enough Rep in the world for this post!
I couldn't agree more!
-Heroclix is not a game of logic, it's a game of strategy .... after all, when's the last time that you saw a giant (using a stealth ability) that was hiding behind a swingset... and nobody could SEE him????
Trolling is, always has been, and continues to be ####ing stupid. Film at 11.
Was that an official email reply?
To the question at hand - unless a possessed character has a dial = or > the length of the entity's dial, I agree with Krusty - I don't see how they get to their KO clix so I don't see how anybody gets points for them.
To the question at hand - unless a possessed character has a dial = or > the length of the entity's dial, I agree with Krusty - I don't see how they get to their KO clix so I don't see how anybody gets points for them.
Again if a game element that has a point cost is removed from the game, then the opposing player scores points equal to the point cost of that element.
This was confirmed by the current rules team.
So if you brought it in at the 25 point level they would be awarded 25 points when the figure they are Possessing is KO'd. If they were brought in at their other cost your opponent would be awarded those points when the possessed figure is KO'd.
The bigger question is who scores those points in a Battle Royal? Does the opponent who KO'd the possessed character get them or do they go to no one?
Quote : Originally Posted by dairoka
I'm pretty sure Dragon has the Future keyword and Probability Control.
Quote : Originally Posted by jonidschultz
Dragon is correct. Dragon is always correct. Never argue with a Dragon.