This is the easiest solution I can think of, honestly, and the villains can be put into the same categories. If someone's going to core the Turtles or TMNT Villains, they have to choose either comics or TV, and then draft the other versions.

I agree with this.

And Nifty, you're probably right about the second set, but I still am being optimistic.

Also, on future set releases and dials being spoiled-

We're going to do core still on Friday, but I won't actually lock the resources from being updated until the core threads finish.

I have the first two cores sent to me already, when we start this up.

Infact, since I don't expect anyone to beat my core roll with a likely lack of new people-

At 977, I'm coring Kingdom Come: Justice League, with Red Robin and Wonderwoman, at 230 of my 250.

so im pretty high up there then at 772 cool.

KC Wonder Woman would have to be drafted at her cheapest uncarded version (198 pts) or her cheapest carded version (25 pts).

There was a note about this somewhere, I have to find it again. We talked about it (Glen and Myself and possibly others) and agreed that the KC Chases will be used on their higher point value like entity pieces, because you can't make a team out of those guys with just the 1 clickers.

Why not? Do the rules prevent it?

It would be a bad team, but you could. The entity rule is in place to prevent possession because that was felt it would be bad for the League.

There are lots of characters that are bad at lower levels we don't let them be drafted at higher levels.

Hm. It's not that they're bad at that level. It's that they are the same way as entities, inherently bad for the league.

I mean, I can see an argument made for the giants from the super boosters as well. (Those things have been hurting both leagues.)

I can still make the same team with slight differences.

How are they bad for the league?

Or the Colossals from the superboosters?

The Entities are bad for the League because they're de facto resources (at least when they're played at their lower point costs). We've decided that we don't want resources in the League, and so we've decided not to let people play the Entities as resources.

The new KC characters do not function as de facto resources at their lower point costs. They're immobile support pieces (with a chance of turning into a 1-click attacker). They're hardly as unbalancing as resources, and I don't see how they're inherently bad for the League.

I'm also surprised to learn that the superbooster Colossals are considered bad for the League. I had one of them--the Batman/Superman Robot--on my team last season, and while it was a useful character, it was hardly unbalancing.

These are my thoughts exactly.

Alright, well I'd like to hear more thoughts then. I'm of the opinion that the KC pieces should be picked up on their higher point values, but I am slightly biased. Glen (Who did the DC resources) put them in that way, as well, which is why I cored like I did.

The colossals are a different beast, and they just feel too powerful for the league under my own opinion, but it was the same way with the ID cards, which give you essentially: a stationary support piece that is also a 1 click attacker, but takes more effort to summon than the 25-35 pt Chases.

I support KC Figures being drafted at their cheapy cost level. The disadvantages of them at that level compared to their advantages are massive. Entities they are not.

Colossals have the same story. They're ridiculously good for their point cost, absolutely. But they're one shot, and that shot can easily hurt your own team if you're not careful. In my two matches with BM/SM Robot, he's made all of 1 SA, and a few ASTs thanks to Empower. Against DarkCorsair, he was taken out on turn 2 and ended up being more of a liability than a resource (mostly due to my misplay, but eh).

The difference between the 25 pters and ID cards is that there are 6 Colossal Retaliation pieces, that are on the board and you can deal with them. With ID cards, there are literally thousands of options, and you can customize what you'd like to bring for every match, they're impossible to prepare for, and you can get multiple ID cards for every Colossal Retaliation figure you might play.

Most Colossal Retaliation figures are villains, and thus relatively hard to draft with any kind of theme.

ID cards are bonkers, can fit almost any heroic team out there, and STRONGLY STRONGLY favor the Avengers and JLA, which don't need assists.

I mean honestly, can you name a single situation where you would select a Colossal Retaliation figure vs their weight in (presumably thematic) ID cards?

I can change the names, sure. You wouldn't need two upgrades for Heightened Reflexes CR and ESD, so same name same cost same feat. I'll try and find a way to link them.

I wasn't planning on it, part cause I couldn't really come up with anything Colossal specific, and they tend to be powerful enough as is.

I think classically it was used with Mind Control and Incapacitate attacks pretty freely (and before it was damage dealt).

Decreasing the damage dealt vs damage value only has a couple corner cases of effect. Even if it said damage dealt, it would be able to be used with Incap/Mind Control.

Also, anyone going to Tulsa this weekend?