There are basically 2 ways to Special Summon a monster. The first way is with a Spell Card like "Monster Reborn", a Trap Card like "Call of the Haunted", or an Effect Monster like "Magical Scientist". The second way is built in to the monster, and Special Summons it without activating an effect, such as "Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning" or "Dark Necrofear". "Royal Oppression" can negate both of these types of Special Summon. In the first case, you chain the activation of "Royal Oppression"'s effect to the activation of the Spell, Trap, or Monster Card's effect, and negate the effect. In the second case, right before the monster is Special Summoned, you can activate the effect of "Royal Oppression" to negate the Special Summon (the same procedure that you use for "Horn of Heaven" or "Solemn Judgment").

OK thanks. I thought I had it wrong somehow. Regionals is tomorrow and I'm sure I'll be seeing it a lot.

The effects of face-up Trap Cards cannot be activated during the Damage Step, so this card's effect cannot negate the Special Summoning of a monster by the effect of "Mystic Tomato" or a "Cyber Jar" flipped face-up by an attack.


The effects of face-up Trap Cards cannot be activated during the Damage Step

so the effects of a face-up roblin goblin will never work?..than what's the point?? :confused:

I have a few questions.

1. If Player A has Forced Requisition on their side of the field and at the end of their turn must discard a card to meet the hand size limit, dose player B have to discard as well? I would assume they would, but I wanted to be sure if the situation should come up.

2. If player A has Forced Requisition on the field and plays a card that makes them discard several copies of a card from their hand and Player B has fewer cards than the amount A discarded, then does B just discard the cards that they have or does the effect disappear? I ask because the card reads that the opponent must discard the same amount of cards.

3. Once again, A has forced requisition on the field. They then play the spell card Card Destruction. Would B have to discard their original hand and then due to the effect of requisition have to discard the same amount as A did?

Thanks in advance for the help.

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Answer:

1. "Forced Requisition", once active, will make your opponent discard cards from their hand whenever you do. This includes discarding at the End Phase when your hand size is over 6.

2. If your opponent has less cards in their hand than you discarded, they simply discard their entire hand.

3. Player B will discard their hand for "Card Destruction"'s effect, and then draw for "Card Destruction"'s effect. Then, due to "Forced Requisition"'s effect, they will discard the same amount of cards as Player A discarded from "Card Destruction". If Player B has less cards than were discarded by Player A, they discard their entire new hand.


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Robbin Goblin's effect works in the damage step because it's a continuous effect that is always "turned on". The effect does not use the chain and does not need to be manually activated.

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yes i do know that bojinzo but they keep quoting that you can't activate face-up traps in the damage step..so it'll make them think..ty

actually bojinzo, robbin goblin does use the chain, it is a continuous trap card with a trigger effect. when battle damage is done, the effect of robbin goblin(or zombie) will activate, can be chained to (or more likely it can form a chain with other simultaneously triggered effects, although i guess a counter trap could be chained to it, but there arent any that currently could be)

and that is a good point, if anything, the ruling about activating face up continuous trap cards is at least worded wrong, face up continuous trap cards with trigger effects can and will activate during the damage step.

also, what me and deck wraith have been saying, is that the formentioned ruling is mainly for cards like mass driver and ultimate offering, because their types of effects are not appropriate for the damage step.

but the fact that its been ruled that multi-trigger 'counter' effects (meaning monster effects like horus lv8 that are designed to chain to and negate other effects) can be used during the damage step, means that royal oppressions effect is now a type of effect that is otherwise allowed in the damage step. (although until changed it currently isn't)

What immortal is hinting to is the fact that the ruling doesn't specify "which" types of face-up traps cannot be used during the Damage Step, the rule is basically involving ALL face-up traps (continous, trigger whatever). But given the way Royal Oppression "triggers", there is no saying that it can't be used.

As phiefer3 already stated multi-trigger effects which are able to "interlude" in the middle of the chain, make it for an open window of response (in a simple response matter).

exactly, the "effects of face up trap cards..." ruling was never ment to apply to all face up trap cards. trigger effects like robbin goblin have always worked then. continuous trap cards always just do their own thing.

honestly i think the ruling never should have been made in the first place. there was never need for a ruling that a certain type of effect couldn't be used in the damage step. it had always been that only certain effect CAN be used in the damage step. those currently being:

atk/def mods
counter traps
flip effects
trigger effects
effects that specifically say they can
and "counter" effects other than counter traps (horus 8 etc.)

the ruling was made most likely made for ultimate offering. with the above like the ruling wouldnt be needed. but because ultimate offering can be used during the opponents battle phase, the ruling was likely made to show that it cannot be used during that part of the battle phase.

also, deck wraith, i'd say that RO is more of an ignition (or mulit-trigger) effect that is manually activated, rather than a trigger effect.

if it was a trigger effect, it'd be the same as robbin goblin and such and would have always been allowed use in the damage step.

That's a very tough call there phiefer3 but maybe it could be a ignition/multi-trigger effect, though the fact being that both player can use it's effect puts the "maybe", "maybe not" quotes inside it.

so what's the final ruling on face-up continious trap cards??

i mean is there a stable ruling for all continious trap ruling :confused: ?

as of now, its a staple rule for all face up continuous traps that have effects that are manually activated.

such as ultimate offering and mass driver.

however, faceup continuous traps with triggered effects, like robbin goblin/zombie are not manually activated, so they will still trigger themselves normally. also continuous effects like forced requisition and appriopriate will work as well.

as of now, royal oppression currently still falls into the first catagory, and cannot be used in the damage step (but this could change in the future)

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actually deck wraith, as i thought about it more, RO is definitly a manually activated effect (ignition/multi-trigger) and cannot possibly be considered a triggered effect at all.

this is because, RO's effect is chained to the "trigger" (though not really a trigger). if RO was a triggered effect, it would create a new chain after the current chain resolves. just as things like robbin goblin does.

You know this is an excellent point, and it also makes you wonder about something. What would happen (take in mind this is just theorical nothing more), if you could chain a Spell Speed 3 to RO, wouldn't it still creat an internal chain?

i'm not sure you got what i said.

i said that RO is NOT a triggered effect. IF it was it would start a new chain after the current chain. but it does NOT, it is CHAINED to the effect that is attempting to special summon.

if there were a counter trap, that could be chained to the effect of RO (theres not, but lets assume there was a counter trap that could negate the effect of a face up trap, but didn't destroy it)

lets say monster reborn is activated, RO's effect is manually activated and chained to monster reborn (see, if it was a triggered effect, it'd have to wait until this chain resolved, and since RO is optional, it'd always miss its timing). if that fictional counter trap was chained to RO, it would be like any other chain. the counter trap would negate the effect of RO, RO would attempt to resolve but its negated, and monster reborn would resolve properly.

infact thats the same as would happen if royal decree was chained to the effect of RO.

Don't worry I understood your previous post :p, I was just making a fictional example which you detailed.

Anyways, now that I think about it, and now that I analize the situation it might be a totally manual effect after all ^.^